The void at the beginning of creation is devoid of laws, and the partial NEP of Veldanava is that this void is a part of Veldanava. So I don't see why what you say matters.
You claim that Velda's God Key lacks laws. However, where is the evidence or proof that explicitly states it lacks laws? Velda created several laws governing existence, so how can it be said that his existence lacked such laws? If Velda had the ability to establish and control these laws, it implies that his power and existence were inherently tied to them. To argue otherwise would require a clear and explicit statement or evidence to support the notion that his God Key was devoid of laws despite his role as their creator.
He was all in one after all as you claim.
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If you take a look at the scans about Great Spirits, you will not need to ask these questions.
I did looked at the pages but I would prefer specific scans. TL does states kanji is used for space is the same for sky. Thing is space in the context is refering to sky as earth and water and other attributes are grouped up in single groups. Light and Darkness are treated as different compared to these physical laws. So I'm not seeing the concept of space in literal the same abstractions we are referring to. Unless I'm missing any other scans or contexts.
Do you really think that I am proposing NEP, Aspect Type 3 here with this logic? What I was saying was that a being that lacks only fundamental information cannot have a conventionally existing mind.
Sure but that needs to be proven first then.
Hell is a void filled with magicules (information type 2), and those magicules don't exist in subspace. What does this argument have to do with void manipulation?
Is Hell filled with Magicules, or is the Hell Void itself made up of Magicules? These two cases would be different. Can you elaborate?
You ask whether Veldanava created the concept of information and I tell you in the verse that there is no such thing as the concept of information as of now and you say "this does not address my point". Are you ok?
When I referred to the "concepts of information," I wasn’t speaking about literal metaphysical or theoretical constructs like you might find in detailed explanations. Rather, I was using the term “concept” in the general sense—an idea or notion we use to understand something. It doesn’t have to involve deeply abstract or formal frameworks, like what some might discuss in VS Wiki or similar contexts.
What I’m asking is whether Velda created information entirely from scratch and introduced it into the verse as something entirely new. By "concepts," I mean an original creation that Velda brought into existence—something that didn’t exist before his intervention.
You are just misinterpreting my words.
There are statements in the Web Novel that the Great Spirit of the Sky is the concept of space and information. Why are you talking about this even when I say "there is no such thing in the Light Novel"? In the Light Novel, there is a Great Spirit directly named "The Great Spirit of Space".
Even if the sky contains information, that doesn’t mean it was created as a new concept within the verse. Just because information exists doesn’t mean it should be introduced as a idea or concept.
If this isn't addressed in the LN, then we might as well drop it for now.
Also I hope you don't misunderstand concept I was talking here. It's not vs wiki concept. I'm refering to the idea itself.
Also, I don't know why you think that in order to lack information type 2 it has to come before the concept of information, but not everything has to have a concept.
You’re arguing that he existed prior to all his creation, which is why I’m asking for proof that Information Type 2 was something he created later on.
Again, when I mention "concepts of information," I’m not referring to the VS Wiki definition. I’m simply using "concept" in its general, everyday sense.
The fact that the void at the beginning of everything is of the same nature as Subspace and that Subspace lacks magicules, which are information type 2, is proof for aspect type 4 and therefore 1 and 3.
Could you share the specific scan regarding the Void of the Beginning? So far, I’ve only seen scans related to Subspace, and I might have missed it.
Additionally, doesn’t space-time itself also possess information in the verse? Isn’t Subspace stated to have its own laws of space-time? If that's the case, doesn’t that mean Subspace doesn’t lack information? The fact that it lacks Magicules doesn’t necessarily mean it lacks information itself.
It would be a quite plausible scenario for the omnipotent Veldanava to lack information and create the True Dragon form by creating information and information particles from nothing.
I don’t see any reason why Velda needs to be a non-existent being to be omnipotent. There are several ways a being can be omnipotent, and it doesn’t necessarily require them to lack information. The idea that Velda must lack information to be omnipotent doesn’t hold up, as omnipotence can manifest through various means that don’t involve non-existence or the absence of information.
