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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 7

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Treyni was said to be above A rank, up there with Ifrit, after he remodeling by Rimuru she is stated to be demon lord class and it's said she has even more magicules than Shion, and Shion beat Clayman.

Though yea Carillion is stronger, he was pretty much the strongest demon lord seed among the Ten Great Demon Lords.
 
Yea, I think Frey stated herself to be comparable to Clayman but Carillon was stated to be stronger than Clayman. Actually it was even implied that Clayman wasn't completely confident in winning against Tempest with his forces alone (without Milim of course) and he must have had fairly high knowledge about pre-HF Tempest due to Mjullan's reports.

The problem is the transformations. I could have sworn that at some point it was said that Carillon (or any beastman) becomes 3 times stronger by transforming, but I can't find it. I thought it was in the LN, but maybe it was in the WN, or maybe I just hallucinated it. Can't rule out Veldora's Slime Observation Journal either.

Treyni repelled Laplace, but it's rather likely that Laplace was holding back, though it's not like he could have done much against Treyni unless he'd plan to go attack the Dryads' and Treants' main base. Actually this is quite an issue since how would Treyni's situation (first key) be translated to a VS battle profile? She'd sort of have Immortality type 8, but how would that be implemented?
 
Only thing about the transformations i remember is it giving them a overwhelming boost or something like that, if there was a statement of 3x that would definitely make Carillion baseline 6-C.

I mean even Alvis and Sufia would be pretty far into High 7-A with transformations and demon lords>them, though Alvis has a double transformation, each boost said to give her a tremendous boost...

Might be argument for her transformation putting her at At least High 7-A.

Edit: Treyno's soul is within the holy tree, was it ever said though she can't die as long as that is the case?
 
I didn't spammed Rimuru and honestly I don't like the spamming term being used for what I have done. These matchs are the only matches that I ever made for Rimuru. Besides, other characters in the verse that I want to used are not in the same tiers, Celestial Pegasus.
 
I've read the LN. They've either trimmed out a few things or changed the order of events. In any case, **** Shogo. That is all.
 
More like they have added more stuff, vol 6 is where the birth of the demon lord arc ends, it also has more new stuff, the arc is just overall way better than the wn.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
More like they have added more stuff, vol 6 is where the birth of the demon lord arc ends, it also has more new stuff, the arc is just overall way better than the wn.
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I meant the manga and yeah, they added a TON of stuff. Again, **** Shogo.
 
dont wory shogo will be tortured by geld

also its weird Rimuru didnt have resistance to Causality manip, i think Rimuru should scale to draguel, yes Draguel have no ultimate skill but his own existence is comparable to ultimate skill


The battle intensified.

It wasn't just the appearance that looked intense, the invisible battle between abilities was taken into account too.

Dagruel, had no Ultimate Skill of his own.

His existence alone can be called "Ultimate", as a being who is almost equal to the True Dragons.

His fists alone could cause destruction on levels that warp the laws of physics, the special vibrations caused would interfere with the earth and the atmosphere, resulting in storms of destruction.

plus his magic nullify only nulls magic not skill, but i need opinion regarding this
 
I don't think Rimuru scales, Dagruel is special in that his entire existence is ultimate and nulls everything.
 
i mean his entire existence is comparable to ultimate skill thus he also gain resistence of ultimate skill user, just like True Dragon,is easy for them to get ultimate skill, all they need is desire to get it, so i think he already have ultimate skill resistance but lacks ultimate skill unique ability
 
Having an ultimate skill grants resistances to lower skills but Shion's skill is an ultimate skill, just being an ultimate skill user shouldn't grant resistances to other ultimate skills.

Dagruel's existence is such that he nulls all magic, he is a special case, which is why i don't think ultimate skill users scale.
 
Susanoo still work on Dagruel though, he just have better output than Shion so he can overpower Shion ultimate skill by brute force despite His skill are Weaker than her, he literaly said that

Also why reality Warping is not on Shion profile? Cook is reality Warping isnt it? And chaotic fate is causality manip? IIRC causality manip is one of chaotic fate capabilities
 
Like Leon said, there can be a difference between Ultimate Skills like Heaven and Earth.

But most US users already have resistances on their profiles to what some US's do anyways.
 
I think that you guys that argued for Rimuru forgot to vote, ironically.

  1. Rimuru vs Medaka
So, I am going to take liberty from the arguments. If it the wrong conclusion, I will change change if tell me.
 
Why did you re-open it? I thought AKM sama closed it? Because it became a too big mess and it's unlikely to conclude until the 500 replies limit?

Also that thread has been distracting me from drafting the CRT that I was going to make for quite some time already and after it's done, Rimuru might become able to tank all attacks by Medaka anyway.
 
NeoSuperior said:
Why did you re-open it? I thought AKM sama closed it? Because it became a too big mess and it's unlikely to conclude until the 500 replies limit?
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It wasn't a big mess as they were not insults which usally what happen in these cases, NeoSuperior.

The only problem was that people didn't known speed boost abilities that could cause speed blitz are banned in speed equalized match.
 
Yes, but there was the whole issue about whether or not the causality manipulation works, or does not work, against Rimuru within imaginary space. If the speed boost can't be done, then Rimuru easily kills her without her even getting into range to preceive him. I am not sure we can resolve all that within only 50 remaining replies.
 
Causality Manipulation should not work in Rimru's Imagery Space or even in the Infinite Prison since they shared the Imagiry nature to Chloe's Prison: [Covenant King Uriel][ch74].

  • [Infinite Priso] - the ability to seal a target in an imaginary space. Has 0% escape rate with the physical body, and the soul has a 1% escape rate [ch4].
 
Spiritual body, not the soul? Might have to check which term is used in the raws, since it's pretty discernible what's called spirit/mind and what is called soul, as I have discovered.

And that was Great Sage's estimate for the High 4-C "perfect lifeform of True Dragon" to escape. Anything lesser might not even have that.

Soul = (Ú¡é/"Tamashii"); Spirit(ual Body)/Mind = (þ▓¥þÑ×/"Seishin")
 
Even disregarding all the absurdities like a speed amp for infinite (or even immeasurable) speed or that whole argument that the time erasure "activates faster than instantly" in a speed equalized match, or that "it doesn't count as a stomp because if Medaka hadn't used the speed amp, Rimuru could still have won!" and so on, the only thing that really went above my absurdity tolerance was the idea that Medaka's causality manipulation is allmighty! Got "possibly universal" range but can undo Rimuru's whole existence in a multiversal range because it's used on the "Rimuru in front of her" (despite Medaka having no way to sense or perceive him within the imaginary barrier), even disregarding that this would affect the causality of the Voice of the World (multiversal) reincarnating Rimuru.

And all that while I was in the middle of a CRT that might have given Rimuru causality manipulation for that key... still working on it, since it's so vague I need lots and lots of quotes to make it palpable.
 
NeoSuperior and Celestial Pegasus, the NLFs were the most that I ever saw from a vs thread that I particapated in. The erasing Rimuru entire existence despite causality manipulation being only possibly universal got me too.

In any case, I did get some idea regarding possible Content Revision Thread like Power Mimicry resistance.

I am also interested in your CRT, NeoSuperior.
 
@Elizhaa:

Regarding your earlier post: It seems for Veldora possibly escaping the Infinite Prison, a completely different term is used instead of the things we are used to, namely µäŵÇØõ¢ô or "Will-Body". Basically for someone like Veldora, his essence seems to really be a "will" rather than a soul or spirit. Not sure what to make of that, or if this got retconned at any point.


Regarding your new post: Yes, Power Mimicry resistance should be obvious. Since the abilities are always inscribed into the soul, even Rimuru couldn't use his abilities to just "erase" their powers via "seperate" and the LN reinforces that point even further with Rimuru being unable to remove the excess energy from the souls of the children even if they were willing. So I'd be glad if you did that one. On the other hand it implies that Rimuru's Predator/Glutton eat or at least read part of the targets soul, since Glutton can obtain part of the target's skills even if just a part of the target was consumed.

As for my CRT, it will probably be fairly long with lots of quotes and will discuss whether Rimuru should get Causality Manipulation for his True Demon Lord Key (a very unlikely chance for the second key too). While looking for the quotes, I accidently stubled upon the fact that in the previous timeline Ruminas was able to defend against an enraged Milim for 3 days and 3 nights. What the heck? Does Ruminas have High 4-C durability?
 
Yknow medaka box is the embodiment of NLF,i dislike the verse because we really cant measure power of the verse, i mean almost every medaka character have unknown tier
 
To befair, having a match between characters with 5 or so abilities and 3 or so resistances in the P&A section... that would often be pretty straightforward and boring.

"Oh they are basically the same characters with almost the exact same abilities! Well let's check whose AP is actually greater? Oh, it's character B! Guess character A loses then. Win for character B! Vote for character B!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"0-7 Grace!"
"Ok grace ended! The match can be added now!"
 
Tensei characters aren't short on hax, the entire verse is busted but ppl just spam the slime.

Maybe when we have LN profiles for Zegion and Diablo ppl will spam them since atm they are stronger than Rimuru from what i have heard? Nah, doubt they will be spammed.
 
NeoSuperior said:
To befair, having a match between characters with 5 or so abilities and 3 or so resistances in the P&A section... that would often be pretty straightforward and boring.

"Oh they are basically the same characters with almost the exact same abilities! Well let's check whose AP is actually greater? Oh, it's character B! Guess character A loses then. Win for character B! Vote for character B!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"Character B FRA!"
"0-7 Grace!"
"Ok grace ended! The match can be added now!"
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All hail democracy!
 
I will be honest to some extent verus threads against Super Hax characters like Medaka can help us remember about missing abilties not the characters profiles and incentivized us to improve the profiles for the better and since Rimuru got all abilties in the series, the fight usually help upgrade other characters.

I will be honest I believe a lot informations for CRT can from versus thread and in my cases, I used a lot of inspirations from versus thread to come with CRT.

  1. Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Disintegration Revision
  2. Rimuru's Skill Additions and Links
  3. Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Power Absorption Revision
  4. Rimuru's Multiple Existence
  5. Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Minor Revision
  6. Rimuru's Reactive Evolution Key change CRT
  7. Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Conceptual Resistance
I will be honest, I do agree FRA fight or near stomp fight are borings like the case shown by NeoSuperior's message above.
 
Well the last few Rimuru matches almost ended with a loss because arguments that were still in question were just used as a basis for votes and some even shamelessly thought "yep, let's just add that to the profiles now even if discussion is still ongoing, because grace already ended!" Basically "vote yourself to the win" when the opponents' side was absent and having a bigger active community on your side. All that despite the VS rules being pretty explicit about not doing that.
 
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