Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 7

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Oryx's daughters have type 2 concept hax, he still losses.

I just took the constantly improves stuff as him getting physically stronger, i don't think it's really made clear that he possess all their abilities in actuality until Ciel and Harvest Lord Shub-Niggurath, all i remember being said is his subordinates making him stronger through food chain due to their abilities being converted into energy for him.

The LN is more obvious, Uriel is like a gather place for all his subordinates skills, and it was created as a result of combining all his subordinates skills and their skills can be replicated with Food Chain. So for the LN he has all their abilities in actuality.

 

[GLHF22]

Meh, that will get into, well he was originally bfr'ed, so it should be counted as a lost, but then someone will say but he time travelled back to before he was bfr'ed so technically he didn't lose.

Either way i am neutral on that, that would have to be discussed when it comes up in a thread or somewhere i think.

What if i remake Arceus vs Rimuru ? Since Arceus win via BFR

 

[NeoSuperior]

OK, but still, even if it's something as obviously beneficial as upgrading resistances, for example?

Anyway, does this mean that we'll change to:

• WN: Up until (and including) Awakened Demon Lord key the "can be gained potentially" P&As remain as they are. For PTD key all the "potential P&As" from what's currently in the "can be gained potentially" list for both ADL and PTD keys get added to Rimuru's regular P&As for the PTD key.
• LN: Subordinates' Skills are already included in Uriel (and can be assumed to be kept up-to-date) for Rimuru's Demon Slime key.

Did I get that right? And can we just implement this or would it require a CRT on its own?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I say CRT because I'm hella lost.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I already added all the abilities that could be potentially gained as his actual abilities in his pseudo true dragon key, i mean we already discussed doing that before so i just implemented it.

As for his ln version i also already put "hundreds of other abilities" in his powers and abilities section, the only thing i haven't done is add all the abilities he gains from his subordinates ie fate hax from gabil.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Hundreds of abilities is pretty vague.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

He is stated to have hundred of abilities from his subordinates, we don't know all of them and even if we did, we aren't gonna list over 100 abilities, that would make his profile way too long.

So mentioning he has hundred of abilities along with the notable ones is the way to go i think.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Look at Kirby. He's an index of abilities.

But I see where you're coming from.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If Rimuru got boosted this much in the ln, can't wait to see what guy and chloe have been boosted to considering from what i have heard, they both stomped/can stomp rimuru, that feat of being faster than time is good but wonder about their abilities.

Also heard primordials have mid godly regen that happens instantly, at this point wouldn't surprise me if eventually we see the characters fighting in space and blowing up galaxies, just wonder about the changes to the last arc, whether rimuru will be even further boosted compared to what he was in the wn.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I think Rimuru will probably hit 2-A, at least. I'm calling it right now, I'm betting Veldnava's turn null created infinite worlds in the LN.

Also, is Tenslime the strongest Isekai?

 

[NeoSuperior]

I guess adding the stuff from the Unique Skills (that Rimuru doesn't have himself yet) should be done though. Escpacially stuff like the very useful-sounding hax from Diablo that seems to be Empathetic Manipulation and/or Mind Manipulation, based on his LN vol. 5 profile. It's really fortunate that LN vol. 6 explicitly showed that Food Chain works on Unique Skills too and isn't just limited to Extra Skills or lower, or anything like that.

IIRC vol. 7 shows a bit about how Diablo's visit to Falmas goes, so once that TL gets released in the coming weeks, we might be able to make a profile for him and get a glimpse of his post-naming-power in action, and the battle vs holy knights (that seems to go differently compared to WN) for Diablo and several other characters' feats.

In regards to WN/LN differences, I think rather than Rimuru "being boosted", it might be more about the fact that there are actually much more concrete explanations compared to the WN which make the Skills actually usable for VSbattles, while WN got many skills that are listed in the abilities, but don't impact the P&A because there is nothing about what these Skills actually do.

Also keep in mind that Rimuru being outclassed by Chloe/Guy is his True Demon Lord form before the Empire Invasion. Rimuru in the WN on the other hand didn't have any fights whatsoever between his Hinata rematch and his battle against Veldora/Velgrynd during which he already was on the threshold to upgrade to Ultimate Slime anyway. So that doesn't really prove anything about Rimuru supposedly being (relatively speaking) nerfed at all.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Milly I am calling 1-A ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

On this site of all the isekai i know yea, some ppl might argue for mondaiji though if it had profiles, but mondaiji is a mess with translation issues and what not, nobody wants to touch it anymore.

@Neo You can add all the abilities he gains as a result if you want.

Diablo hype, nice.

Yea more so we get clarification on a lot of things.

Well i think it's again more so clarifications again, he doesn't fight much in the wn, in the ln he fights a lot more and gets more rekt is what i understand.

Don't really think he got nerfed either, just that his powers and position in the power scale is more clarified.

We still have to see if he will become a true dragon though to see whether a nerf will truly happen.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How many volumes are out rigth now?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

14, it's on the empire invades arc, so around next volume we should see whether or not true dragon rimuru will happen.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Is it translated? Also, do we know when the next chapter of Tenslime's manga is coming?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Only 6 volumes are translated, i think Dasray said vol 7 will be out the 2nd week of may.

The manga usually gets translated 1 to 2 weeks after the raw is out, the raw comes out every 26 of the month.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I see.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I'll keep scavenging for some hidden feats within these novels, heh.

 

[NeoSuperior]

We still have to see if he will become a true dragon though to see whether a nerf will truly happen.

At this point in the story, he has to. From the spoilers for vol. 14 that I heard about, Rimuru is screwed if he doesn't get a big power boost with Veldora mindhaxed by the Eastern Empire and all that. And the timing would fit, considering Rimuru's subordinates are in the process of awakening as True Demon Lords. That should give a huge power boost through Food Chain once their Harvest Festivals finish or maybe they already did? I don't know the details.

And looking at it with the changes from vol. 5 and 6 in mind, Rimuru might possibly be able to cash in the fact that he had been hiding his power up until now (unless he had revealed it at some point) by unleashing it completely in vol. 15.

Keep in mind that Hero!Chloe's Infinite Prison Barrier was able to completely nullify attacks from Veldora in the past and Rimuru got access to that now through Uriel, it didn't sound like he was using it against Milim though, so it's possible that he managed to keep it hidden all the way, at least to the point that no information about it was leaked.


Manga got two chapters this month, but the RAWs are not up at the "usual place" yet, so it's likely going to be delayed.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Even then, doubt the true dragon boost will put him above milim, guy, and chloe think he will probably get to be equal to them.

Though if his reactive evolution is still a thing, which regardless of it, the stronger his subordinates get, the stronger he gets, it will only be a matter of time before he surpasses everyone.

The final villain is probably gonna be even more broken than yuuki was. Though that would be hard to imagine considering yuuki had almost every ability that exists, don't know how you could make a more broken character.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Well, in the WN what made Rimuru so extremely OP can be traced back to a single cause: Ciel.

It will really depend on whether (assuming it will go simiar to WN) Ciel ends up being nerfed, kept the same, or even more buffed compared to her WN counterpart.

And new final villain I still think that the Voice of the World might be a viable candidate considering how it got (subtly) hyped up in the WN, showing the highest possible feat aside from Rimuru (2-C power modification, when it depowered Veldanava) but somehow nothing ever came from it. There's also that whole thing about Lucia who was supposedly the last known individual to have possessed Raphael, and no matter if Ciel is a reincarnation of Lucia, a reincarnation of the previous Raphael, or has no connection to Lucia and just simply inherited the memories of the previous Raphael, she at least had some words to say about Velda's actions from that, so that's another loose thread from the WN.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Rimuru fighting the system which governs the multiverse itself would be pretty awesome.

I like that idea, we would also get more info on the system, which would definitely make Rimuru more broken when he himself gets to that sort of power.

 

[NeoSuperior]

It'd be pretty ironic though considering the anime completely ignored the VotW and never introduced it, giving anime-onlys the illusion that it was always Great Sage speaking which would obviously not work out. And if that thing now became the final villain... "sorry guys, we forgot to introduce the character who turns out to be final boss. Tehee Pero ;p "

Well, if the second season got two cours, and does up until LN vol. 6, then there would more than enough time to include it as well as the missing half of LN vol. 4

 

[Sheska444]

Even then, doubt the true dragon boost will put him above milim, guy, and chloe think he will probably get to be equal to them.

Though if his reactive evolution is still a thing, which regardless of it, the stronger his subordinates get, the stronger he gets, it will only be a matter of time before he surpasses everyone.

The final villain is probably gonna be even more broken than yuuki was. Though that would be hard to imagine considering yuuki had almost every ability that exists, don't know how you could make a more broken character.

I like how the power of love and friendship actually makes sense in tensura lol , n Id love to see VOTW as the final villain . thatd be epicc!

 

[Sheska444]

If Rimuru got boosted this much in the ln, can't wait to see what guy and chloe have been boosted to considering from what i have heard, they both stomped/can stomp rimuru, that feat of being faster than time is good but wonder about their abilities.

Also heard primordials have mid godly regen that happens instantly, at this point wouldn't surprise me if eventually we see the characters fighting in space and blowing up galaxies, just wonder about the changes to the last arc, whether rimuru will be even further boosted compared to what he was in the wn.

Im expecting one hell trippy fight like Bernkastel vs Lambdadelta level but... thatd be too much I guess? xD

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Question, Neo. Why is Ciel a conceptual existence? Veldora was lonely far more than Rimuru was, and I think that should warrant some sort of resistence to mind/possession such.

 

[Sheska444]

I have a question , is veldora's slime observation journal canon ?

 

[Elizhaa]

Rimuru fighting the system which governs the multiverse itself would be pretty awesome.
I like that idea, we would also get more info on the system, which would definitely make Rimuru more broken when he himself gets to that sort of power.

To the LN not WN of the story

 

[WHYNAUT]

I have a quesiton.

What is Benimaru's (LN) intangibility?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I believe it's being a spiritual lifeform, or half of.

 

[WHYNAUT]

So it's just his spiritual body? Can he stay intangible indefinitely?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yes.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Question, Neo. Why is Ciel a conceptual existence? Veldora was lonely far more than Rimuru was, and I think that should warrant some sort of resistence to mind/possession such.

I think she was being called a "Conceptual Intelligence" in the LN and a "Concept" as well as a "Concept of a Unique Skill" in the WN. It's mentioned in both versions during the Harvest Festival arc.

I have a question , is veldora's slime observation journal canon ?

Yes it is, since it's written by the author of the LN himself. The author even goes out of his way to say something along the lines of "please don't mind any possible differences between manga and LN version" in the afterword of the first manga volume.

Here on VS battles we use a composite profile of LN, manga and anime (don't know how spin-offs are treated). IIRC "composite" means that any feats can be used as long as there are no lore-specific contradictions. For example Shizue and the adventurer group get rescued by the Goblin Riders in the LN, but by Rimuru in the manga. Despite this "contradiction" in events, the feats shown from the manga are still accepted despite the scene in question never happening in the LN, since it doesn't really contradict the lore or the skillset of any characters.

Veldora's Slime Observation Journal is a proper part of the manga, so of course it's fine to use it as a source for the LN profiles.

 

[Elizhaa]

Pretty much what Neo said, what happened with Raphael is highly unusual so only Rimuru can be considered to have multiple personalities.

I think so as well. I think it is fine to add since there are agreements so I will add it.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Ah, ok.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Benimaru and the other oni's are spiritual lifeforms similiar to dryads, dryads have no physical body except for the holy tree which houses their souls, obviously they can turn their intangibility off and on, seeing as treyni could hold a cup, rimuru can also switch between a material and physical body.

@Elizhaa Both rimuru's already have multiple personalities listed.

 

[Elizhaa]

I see. Wouldn't great sage be giving Multiple Personlity as well though?

 

[NeoSuperior]

Considering auto-battle mode, he probably should. It's "technically" probably an application of possession that Rimuru reverse-engineered from Shizue/Ifrit, but since Great Sage is a part of Rimuru's soul, it should be enough to count as multiple personalities.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Was it ever said great sage gained sentience? Only raphael is stated to be so from what i remember, but could be wrong.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Neo I just see that as great sage being an AI and executing an order rimuru gave, it's totally different from being a sentient being who thinks and feels emotions like raphael.