• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 7

Status
Not open for further replies.
Great Sage showed glimpses of that already though, like sounding shocked when Rimuru suggests that he takes over during the Orc Disaster battle, or her sarcastic remarks, as well as taking independent action in regards to Veldora. It's clear that she isn't just a robotic script.

And depending on who you ask, sentience and self-awareness are not neccessarily the same. The thing about Raphael was mostly about self-awareness with lines like "I think therefore I am".
 
Rimuru was also able to show his memory with [Telepathic Communication], hence with Information Manipulation ÒÇîAs I thought, you're Japanese, huh… I wondered if that was the case. That air you carry, you knowÒÇì

Silence. And then,

ÒÇîI also asked this of my disciples. What do you think became of that beautiful city? The one that turned into a sea of flames…?ÒÇì

ÒÇîOh. Let me show you.ÒÇì

Having said so, I conveyed my memories with [Telepathic Communication]. A truly useful skill at times like this.

and also transfer his memory in Chapter 60 WN

First of all, I made the children memorize <Transfer Magic>. Normally, it's impossible even in one year to understand it. It's necessary to understand both of the structure of the magic formation and to have the knowledge of the meaning on the system's crest. This magic is far more advanced than <Space-Based Magic>, it really is cruel to make children that haven't even hit 10 year old to learn it. But, they might not be able to do it even if they took 3 years; perhaps there is no need to have them memorize the theory and such. Although it's unfair, on such occasion, it's time for the skill to shine. With my 『Shapeshifter』 abilities, I can embedded my knowledge and fused it into the children. Actually I think it's unfair, but there's no need to be picky about one's appearances anymore.
 
CP, do you think we should update the general concepts blog for Tenslime? I think things like magic, skills and unqiue skills, arts, etc should be delved into.
 
Need to look further into it, but Shion and Rimuru (potentially for ADL, standard for PTD) in WN version might both get Mind Manipulation Immunity like in the LN version. If you check the translation (chapter 81), you'll see that it reads like a big mess translation wise, as if it was just an edited machine translation. But even just google translating the lines in question (Shion resisting Clayman's mind hax) already revealed that it sounds more like the equivalent LN vol. 6 translation. Just asking, but if the crucial lines are identical between LN and WN Raws, would it be OK to adapt that into a CRT?
 
@Milly Rimuru's profile already has those things so it's sort of unnecessary atm, was also waiting for more of the ln to be out before doing that.

Also that would be it's own blog for the light novel, since the current one is for the web novel, and i wouldn't want to mix each version together.

@Neo That would be fine, though from what i remember Clayman in the wn controls ppl's souls not mind like the ln, so don't know if it's gonna be the same.
 
That might be a mistranslation too. IIRC the word in question can have the meanings of "soul", "mind" and "spirit". If it's the same phrasing used between the WN and LN then that might lead to complications to a lot of P&As we have for both WN and LN.

And by the way, CP, can you say something in this thread?

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2992784

Everyone is circling around with no goal in sight. Some have even expressed doubts about Rimuru's imaginary space and reactive evolution. Also about whether mindhax can affect souls (e.g. Ciel) or not, seems to be the primary concern.
 
So a couple things, the characters at At least Mountain level should be changed to Mountain level+, half of 1.4 gigatons is 700 megatons which qualifies for mountain level+.

Also i think characters with automatic Regenerationn should scale to the direwolves Mid-Low regen, considering it's a skill should thus be superior to the direwolves natural healing ability.
 
Sufia and Geld from my memory, the Orc Lord's regen is a different case since it's equal to Rimuru's Ultraspeed Regenerationn.
 
Shouldn't automatic Regenerationn (which by the way is "self-Regenerationn" in the official LN TL) scale to Orc Disaster Geld before he was named? He had that skill back then already (but without Gelmud's healing magic and his Orc Disaster race-based innate Regenerationn boost (or perhaps the boost comes from "Starved")) and was able to regenerate his arms. Anyone with that Skill should be Low-Mid based on that. There was also this:


Gruecith got the hint—and it made him respect her more. But he still didn't take any special precautions. A higher-level magic-born like him had intrinsic magic resistance, and as long as limbs weren't flying off him, his Self- Regenerationn skill could heal most wounds. Anything short of lethal magic could be safely ignored.
~ LN vol. 5​
It's a bit vague, since it can be interpreted as either "can't regenerate lost limbs" or "would die if someone cut off one of his limbs with each attack". Prenamed Orc Disaster suggests the latter, i.e. Low-Mid. But even if we went with the former interpretation, it would still be enough for High-Low at least.
 
Speaking of Sufia, shouldn't Shion get electricty manipulation from that one huge attack she was gonna throw at her (but Rimuru absorbed)?
 
Actually Phobio, Alvis and Sufina are stronger than Ifrit. And the comparison of "half as strong as Orc Disaster Geld" is made for Ifrit (half-monster, half-spirit form) and not for Shizue with Ifrit. We actually don't really know the strength of Shizue with Ifrit. It's probably stronger than Ifrit by himself though considering that Shizue gets access to "white flames", but it probably requires Shizue to use her Deviant Skill, which is why Ifrit couldn't use that when he possessed her body.
 
So what're you suggesting, like a profile for Ifrit himself? Though that will happen in the future considering he gets released at some point.

Just got done with all the edits so don't really feel like doing it again, you're free to do it though.
 
I do think that there should be enough feats for Ifrit to get his profile even just from his battle against Rimuru, as well as from the explanation of Ifrit's Skills in LN vol. 2.

It'd be the materialized form where he controls Shizue's body though. There seem to be some differences compared to when Shizue is the one who controls an "unleashed Ifrit".
 
Looks good.

So why do you think Phobio, Alvis and Sufia are stronger than him again? Only remember them being stated to be sub demon lord class, and it's not it's stated sub demon lord class>special a class, unless i am forgetting something.
 
Veldora says that Phobio has a higher magicule count than Ifrit in Veldora's Diary. Alvis and Sufina are said to be "about equal" to Phobio. I'll check if I can find the scans that I made at some point.
 
Probably in volume 9 of the diary, which i can't find anywhere on the web, where did you even read it?

Actually no phobio showed up before in vol 8 i think, gonna check.
 
Ok so Soei said Shion is stronger than him due to him not being suited for close combat or something so he should stay Mountain level+ i think, Geld and Gabiru as well since they are only stated to be Special A rank, same for Ranga.

Treyni has only been stated to be comparable to Ifrit.

Another thing that has to be discussed though is speed, the characters at supersonic+ are scaled to being superior to Kyoya cause Hakurou stomped Kyoya, but Hakurou isn't a good benchmark since he is superior to Shion, Soei etc.

They should be somewhat comparable though, hence i think the description should be changed from being superior to Kyoya, to being comparable.

Ifrit should scale to that to an extent as well, i think.
 
Oh boy, I just checked the RAW version of WN chapter 66 (and some of the other chapters) and the TL, just as expected, got it wrong! What's even more infuriating about that is the fact that the content clearly uses different Kanji for "Spirit/Mind" (þ▓¥þÑ×/"Seishin") and "Soul" (Ú¡é/"Tamashii") within the same chapter and yet the TL just slapped the translation "soul" on all of that!

I can assure you though that Disintegration and Harvest Festival stuff correctly refers to Ú¡é or "souls", so it was really just Dead End Rainbow where it was used wrong (will probably have to change D.E.R. to Death Manipulation in the WN too). Though for the case of Clayman vs Shion it was also wrongly translated, as the correct version would be that Shion's soul was capable of "thinking" (EDIT: really seems so) but magic that Shion is supposedly immune to is þ▓¥þÑ×-type or Spirit/Mind-type of magic. EDIT2: þ▓¥þÑ×µö»Úàì-type or Mind Control/Domination-type of magic.

EDIT3: Not sure if this means that Shion/Rimuru gain "Immunity to Mind Manipulation unless the Soul Manipulation potency surpass Shion's/Rimuru's Resistance to Soul Manipulation".

I do want to also add that the explanation about Astral Bodies, Spiritual Bodies, and Material Bodies overall should be more or less the same as in the LN, though there might be more details on the LN side.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Ok so Soei said Shion is stronger than him due to him not being suited for close combat or something so he should stay Mountain level+ i think, Geld and Gabiru as well since they are only stated to be Special A rank, same for Ranga.

Treyni has only been stated to be comparable to Ifrit.

Another thing that has to be discussed though is speed, the characters at supersonic+ are scaled to being superior to Kyoya cause Hakurou stomped Kyoya, but Hakurou isn't a good benchmark since he is superior to Shion, Soei etc.

They should be somewhat comparable though, hence i think the description should be changed from being superior to Kyoya, to being comparable.

Ifrit should scale to that to an extent as well, i think.
Click to expand...
About Treyni, I'm pretty sure she was rated as stronger than Orc Disaster, but weaker than Karion. Granted that's AFTER getting her body from Rimuru. Prior that yeah, she was about Ifrit to maybe a little stronger maybe. Can't recall where, but it was mentioned somewhere that she was about as strong as Orc Lord, but the fight wouldn't go in her favor due to the gap not being wide enough for her to be able to deal with the Orc Generals or the horde.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

CodeCCLL
Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel) Nonexistent Stuff Revision
2
Replies
64
Views
7K
Lycoris4812
Lycoris4812
Digital_Franz
Tensei Shitara Dai Nana Ouji Dattanode Discussion Thread
Replies
18
Views
2K
Digital_Franz
Digital_Franz
CodeCCLL
  • Locked
Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel) Tier 1 Scaling
2 3 4
Replies
125
Views
26K
Trigger
Trigger
Hypercyber37
Rimuru vs Mario
Replies
2
Views
2K
Sebas-S.P-san
Sebas-S.P-san
Astral_Trinity439
TenSura LN Major Revision - Raphael is a Regeneration Device
5 6 7
Replies
256
Views
26K
Humanitus_Primevilus888
Humanitus_Primevilus888
Back
Top