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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Dread said:
No, with this argument, it is only BDE type 1, and it is already used and agreed upon. Also, I see nothing here as manipulation.
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he is referring to the imaginary space which is literally Rimuru's personal dimension, where he stores and retrieves things, analyzes and modifies information, and traps enemies.
 
JV_DLS said:
he is referring to the imaginary space which is literally Rimuru's personal dimension, where he stores and retrieves things, analyzes and modifies information, and traps enemies.
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Nowhere it is stated that Rimuru is a higher/beyond dimensional existence than his own dimension, otherwise, I have no clue why no one purposed low 1-C if it is in this case.
 
Dread said:
As I said, I don't see BDE type 2/HDM is a thing in Rimuru. Unless you bring new evidence.
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I also don't think it should give him HDM or BDE

Higher Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate greater spatial and temporal dimensions than 3-D space, such as 4-D space and above.

But they're asking if Rimuru should get that because Ciel can affect a 4-D structure(Imaginary space) .I don't know if affect=Manipulation .So I am pretty neutral on this
 
No, effecting is nowhere treated as manipulation in the wiki. I will disagree with this. It can be argued that since he created the 2-B structure from everything (the reason he got nigh-omniscience as well) he got overall control over it (I have no evidence, so I am neutral on this), so I would use this argument. But not BDE type 1 argument one.
 
Dread said:
Nowhere it is stated that Rimuru is a higher/beyond dimensional existence than his own dimension, otherwise, I have no clue why no one purposed low 1-C if it is in this case.
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I didn't mean to say Rimuru is 4D himself, I said Rimuru can get HDM through manipulating Imaginary space which is accepted as a 4D space

"Higher Dimensional Manipulation is the ability to manipulate greater spatial and temporal dimensions than 3-D space, such as 4-D space and above."
 
Dread said:
No, effecting is nowhere treated as manipulation in the wiki. I will disagree with this. It can be argued that since he created the 2-B structure from everything (the reason he got nigh-omniscience as well) he got overall control over it (I have no evidence, so I am neutral on this), so I would use this argument. But not BDE type 1 argument one.
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Also, you need proof of the manipulation of the structure as a whole. I really don't have evidence, but also I think it exists for sure.
 
KuramaKyubee said:
Huh? What's wrong?? ._.
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It's just that existing before the creation of something doesn't necessarily qualify you for something, an example is Acas 5, Veldanava preceded the creation of the cause and effect system and even created it but there is no evidence that it is totally free or transcends it
 
KuramaKyubee said:
Huh? What's wrong?? ._.
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JV_DLS said:
It's just that existing before the creation of something doesn't necessarily qualify you for something, an example is Acas 5, Veldanava preceded the creation of the cause and effect system and even created it but there is no evidence that it is totally free or transcends it
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Exactly, we cannot abuse "he transcends Veldanava" and ignore that we need more secure evidence
 
So Imaginary space is 4D skill, and skills are made up of information, so Information is 4D, and Rimuru manipulating Imaginary space via Information is Higher Dimensional manipulation?

LoL, is this ok for HDM or still need some solid feats 😅
 
Ashborn69 said:
I guess so, anyway now that I think about it Imaginary space and the other skills was able to exist without the existence of Information. What benefits would that give?
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Well yes cuz information jusy what Composed Skills.. not that information is the concept of skills.
 
Ashborn69 said:
I guess so, anyway now that I think about it Imaginary space and the other skills was able to exist without the existence of Information. What benefits would that give?
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And anyways Information and Great spirits Would be 4D aswell since Skills are made by info so information would be 4D and all great spirit would be 4D since GS of sky are 4D created information that information are what created/composed all skill which would include all 4D skills.
 
rainheart said:
And anyways Information and Great spirits Would be 4D aswell since Skills are made by info so information would be 4D and all great spirit would be 4D since GS of sky are 4D created information that information are what created/composed all skill which would include all 4D skills.
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I doubt it, if the skill Imaginary space and the other skills that has been mentioned to still exist even without the existence of Information, then they should be independent of information 🤔, so Information should not scale to them?
 
Ashborn69 said:
I doubt it, if the skill Imaginary space and the other skills that has been mentioned to still exist even without the existence of Information, then they should be independent of information 🤔, so Information should not scale to them?
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Information are just what created/Composed skills..if h understand doesnt mean that skill need information to exist... And even if GS of skh dont exist doesnt means skils also dont exist.. skils are just like a colective which contain information just when rimuru want to analyse skills he will analyze the information of the skills to require the skills.
 
rainheart said:
Information are just what created/Composed skills..if h understand doesnt mean that skill need information to exist... And even if GS of skh dont exist doesnt means skils also dont exist.. skils are just like a colective which contain information just when rimuru want to analyse skills he will analyze the information of the skills to require the skills.
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Information is an info type 2 which means it is fundamental thing for all of existence to exist, existing without it is being independent of it... Imaginary space and the other skills that are mentioned to still exist without the existence of Information like the skill (Time warp) etc. Should be independent of information... And because Imaginary space is able to exist without Information that means Imaginary space is independent of information, and that also means Information shouldn't scale to Imaginary space. 🤔🤔
 
@Catpija Why wouldn't Azathoth have 2-B absorption? I even understand 2A by the logic you said a while ago, but what's the logic for not having 2-B absorption?
 
As far I am working on 3 different verses with physiology and cosmologies. So I need help and support by this community.
 
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