Tekken Faster Than Light Calc

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Edit: ERROR CORRECTED - Previously I had written a distance of " 20988e+6 meters" in the calc. But I had missed a decimal! It was supposed to say " 2.0988e+6 meters" and has now been fixed!

A friend by the name of "Thomas the Hype Engine" calced the speed of Tekken's devil beam and it came out to around 67c (67 times the speed of light)

I'm just going to be copying and pasting his calc. This is NOT mine. (Feat at 1:50 of the linked video)


Tekken 7 - Mishima Saga Chapter 12 Story Mode (1080p 60fps)

The feat is at 1:50 here


CALC


http://i.imgur.com/d8dq526.png

• Panel height: 480 pixels
• Earth's diameter: 12.742 km and 2082 pixels
• Earth bit: 850 pixels and by extension 5,202,065 meters
• 2atan(object_size/(panel_height/tan(70/2))) = 102.2

http://1728.org/angsize.htm

• Distance: 2.0988e+6

Timeframe is when it gets tricky. Plugging that distance into this:

• http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1224665242
• and this http://orbitsimulator.com/formulas/vcirc.html
• Gives me about 7.8999 km/s

http://i.imgur.com/flo7lGo.jpg

• 5 floor according to this: http://www.convertunits.com/from/story/to/meters
• 16.5 meters is 100.6 pixels and the beam is 7.07 meters in thickness, making it 1.16 meters in diameter.

http://i.imgur.com/OFwLJjO.jpg

• Beam thickness here is about 38.48 pixels
• Initial satellite location: 600 by 267
• Final satellite location: 625 by 256
• Movement: 27.313 pixels or 0.823 meters

Ratio of movement between laser and satellite: 2.54910^6

Laser Speed: (2.54910^6)*(7899.9) = 2.0137e10 m/s or 67.17c


Once again, full credit goes to Thomas the Hype Engine

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You most likely screwed up the angsizing. To be FTL you'd have to cross about 300,000km in about 1 second. No way that low-orbit satellite is that high in the air.

 

[Antoniofer]

Angsize isn't necessary, satellites are orbiting between 160 - 35786 km from Earth, it took around 8 s to reach the satellite, so that is at least 20000 m/s, and at most 4473250 m/s. You can discuss about the kind of satellite to determinate the distance.

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Does it have to be a certain type of satellite...? If the visuals and measurements show it that far out, then why can't it be that far out? If the Earth were to be pea-sized in perspective from the satellites view, how would you argue that? It is fiction after all.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Logically Low orbiting satalittes are not anywhere near that height, then again this is TEKKEN with "humans" who are country level.

(Or at least they were, they're multi continent now if we scale them from Akuma's meteor feat) But alas I'm getting sidetracked.

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Not only that, but this satellite is Dr. Abel's weapon. Not just any "low-orbit" satellite. It's a fictional device. It could be whatever distance it wants.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Even if we disregard angsizing, LEO satellites are 200-400 km, it gives High Hypersonic+ results. Either way, upgrades to speed are in order.

this satellite is Dr. Abel's weapon. Not just any "low-orbit" satellite. It's a fictional device. It could be whatever distance it wants.
This also. There's no real life satellite that fires laser beams down to Earth.

 

[Dark649]

This is not Akuma from the Street Fighter series, this is Akuma from the Tekken series, which is different like Akuma from Asura's Wrath. They are not Multi-Continental and the only way to scale them is to scale them is to calc Abel laser feats from Tekken 2, 3 and 7 along with Kazuya laser feat.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Akuma Meteor feat comes from a crossover game with a 2-C villain. It doesn't matter for anything.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

That's true. That is why Heihachi survived the raging demon after all.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

That's true. That is why Heihachi survived the raging demon after all.

Raging Demon is still the Raging Demon, there's no reason to assume it works otherwise.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

The Akuma Meteor feat comes from a crossover game with a 2-C villain. It doesn't matter for anything.

2C villain? I thought Pyron was 3C?

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Here's the same device in Tekken 3. We can't find the distance here due to the awkward angle, so we have to stick with the Tekken 7 one, but we do see the speed of the laser. A laser that Gun Jack had to have reacted to in order to put up his forcefield.


Tekken 3 - Gun Jack Ending

 

[ScarletFirefly]

^^Don't derail.

 

[Dark649]

Heihachi seems to be the type of guy that can resist soul destruction. The Pyron which Matt talks about is the one from a non-canon crossover, which casually united 3 universe's in one.

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

Here it looks SO much farther from the Earth and the beam moves SO much faster. This is also Dr. Abel's weapon. If someone could find the distance of this I guarantee it'd be at least 100x FTL since this is the same device Gun Jack reacted to.


Tekken 2 - Jack-2 ending

 

[Antoniofer]

In that one it took around 3 s, so at least 53333.3' m/s and at most ~0.04c

EDIT: And the second one around 1 s, at least 160000 m/s, and at most ~0.12c, however, this time no character attack, and no one reacted.

 

[DontTalk]

Don't we have to consider that orbital speed is relative to the earth center (or the barycenter of the system) and not the earth surface?

What I mean is that if the camera for example is standing still relative to earth rotation (so it would always focus on the same spot on the earths surface), the satellite would move with a visible speed different from its orbital speed, no? (it would stay still exactly in the case that it does one rotation around earth in 24h)

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

In that one it took around 3 s, so at least 53333.3' m/s and at most ~0.04c

EDIT: And the second one around 1 s, at least 160000 m/s, and at most ~0.12c, however, this time no character attack, and no one reacted.

That's if you assume it's a regular low-orbit satellite. But once again, this is Abel's weapon. A fictional laser-shooting device that doesn't have a specific height where it should be at. You have to measure it from the distance shown on screen with the perspective of the Earth's size from the satellites view. Using a generic low-orbit distance would be lowballing when we can clearly see it's out much much farther.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Akuma Meteor feat comes from a crossover game with a 2-C villain. It doesn't matter for anything.

2C villain? I thought Pyron was 3C?

Non-Canon Pyron fused the universes of Street Fighter, Darkstalkers and Red Earth. That's the plot of the game.

However this scales to Ingrid.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Bump

 

[BlackDarkness679]

This is not Akuma from the Street Fighter series, this is Akuma from the Tekken series, which is different like Akuma from Asura's Wrath. They are not Multi-Continental and the only way to scale them is to scale them is to calc Abel laser feats from Tekken 2, 3 and 7 along with Kazuya laser feat.

somebody already showed you a link with the calculations on your blog post of laser feats

 

[Dark649]

I need a calc with the power of the laser which pierced the sky in Tekken 7 and ruined the land in Tekken 3 rather than speed. I checked here and i see interesting calculations, which needs to evaluated, then the power of Tekken 3 laser and Yoshimitsu dodging minigun gunfire in 5 are the last thing i need.

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

I edited the Bryan page with a better minigun dodging Yoshimitsu feat.

Bryan was about only a tree's height away and Yoshimitsu dodged after the minigun was fired.


Tekken 5 - Bryan Fury ending - HQ

 

[Antoniofer]

Guy was at a considerable distance tho, can't tell the distance, but weren't more than 5 meters, giving him at most 5.6 ms to react, that is Subsonic.

 

[LeopoldTheBrave]

This post is about the laser though. We keep getting sidetracked with other feats and crossover characters.

Nobody has actually checked the calc. They've just tried changing a fictional device to a generic low-orbit distance instead of using the actual measurements in the calc to change the results which makes zero sense.

 

[BoomeYang]

Yeah I'd be nice if someone from the calc group actually checked the calc instead of getting sidetracked by completely irrelevant stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, to get a calculation accepted, you first need to post it as a blog, and then ask here for an evaluation:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/726893

However, going by the other comments in this thread, it seems to be flawed, so there may not be much of a point.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Considering this thread is getting awfully sidetracked, I'm gonna post this calc on a blog of mine while giving credit to the poster and the calcer, and will request for an evaluation of it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

I have posted the calc in the blog link below, so now I think it's safe to close this.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ScarletFirefly/Tekken_-_Kazuya's_Devil_Beam_Calc