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The raw says Chaos brought all about this world in a single will

His power Is thought/will based a single will in this context would still be enough of an output to construct the planet make it liveable etc… for all races

Purgatory included.

Parts of the powers of the deities instantly create dimensions containing sources of light
 
The raw says Chaos brought all about this world in a single will

His power Is thought/will based a single will in this context would still be enough of an output to construct the planet make it liveable etc… for all races

Purgatory included.

Parts of the powers of the deities instantly create dimensions containing sources of light
Will again does not imply a timeframe similar examples apply. I can bear a good will towards someone and it doesn’t have an inherent time associated with it. Furthermore, willing something into existence just tells us he created something with his conscious instinct. Again no implications of a timeframe.
 
Will again does not imply a timeframe similar examples apply. I can bear a good will towards someone and it doesn’t have an inherent time associated with it. Furthermore, willing something into existence just tells us he created something with his conscious instinct. Again no implications of a timeframe.
His power is linked to What he wish/imagine Which implies he created the world in the span of a thought Which Is backed up by Small fragments of deities creating an entire dimension With a light source instantly
Remember They are jealous creation wise
 
His power is linked to What he wish/imagine Which implies he created the world in the span of a thought Which Is backed up by Small fragments of deities creating an entire dimension With a light source instantly
Remember They are jealous creation wise
1) creating from imagination still doesn’t imply a timeframe
2) it is never stated to occur in the span of a thought
3) Tamriel’s dimension is not stellar and nor is it accepted as such, it’s like tier 6 iirc
 
1) creating from imagination still doesn’t imply a timeframe
2) it is never stated to occur in the span of a thought
3) Tamriel’s dimension is not stellar and nor is it accepted as such, it’s like tier 6 iirc
It has blue sky iirc which means something is there making light outside of a liveable atmosphere the Ocean is at least low 6-B (Just the Ocean)

Also I looked at the raw i might ask the translation thread but it seems like they created Celestial realm + celestial race and Makai + Demon race やがて soon/shortly

of course after the creation of the world (and their creation of course)
Chaos made a sort of sandbox test for races etc… and created the mana Lake Blablabla
 
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I'm not gonna take sides on this but I somewhat have an idea on the route makai is trying to take.

If Chaos power is based of will/Intentions and can create shit off that, "The Single Intention" statement could possibly be used as a Timeframe.

That's what I'm getting from his point. Could be wrong but eh
 
I'm not gonna take sides on this but I somewhat have an idea on the route makai is trying to take.

If Chaos power is based of will/Intentions and can create shit off that, "The Single Intention" statement could possibly be used as a Timeframe.

That's what I'm getting from his point. Could be wrong but eh
It would and anyway this single intention is the output that created the world
 
It has blue sky iirc which means something is there making light outside of a liveable atmosphere the Ocean is at least low 6-B (Just the Ocean)

Also I looked at the raw i might ask the translation thread but it seems like they created Celestial realm + celestial race and Makai + Demon race やがて soon/shortly

of course after the creation of the world (and their creation of course)
Chaos made a sort of sandbox test for races etc… and created the mana Lake Blablabla
It’s fiction, they can create blue skies without making literal suns.

If you got the raws I can examine them for ya.


I'm not gonna take sides on this but I somewhat have an idea on the route makai is trying to take.

If Chaos power is based of will/Intentions and can create shit off that, "The Single Intention" statement could possibly be used as a Timeframe.

That's what I'm getting from his point. Could be wrong but eh
again I’d refer you to my original argument against intention implying a time:
You realize intentions have nothing to do with timeframes right?

All an intention is is a mental decision to commit to an action.

For example, I intend to graduate college. I will graduate college with a single intention (the intent to graduate). Yet I don’t graduate in an instant, it takes 4 years.

Also, as the original OP of the upgrade thread for this rating I entirely agree with my best buddy Deceived. Ngl I entirely upgraded NNT out of spite way back when.
 
Even if you steelman Makai's postion it still wouldn't grant a timeframe to the feat.

Just because it took a singular action (intent) for all these things to be created from nothingness doesn't mean that action and its following creation was instant. An action can occur but the effects of said action aren't always instant, the action of building a house doesn't mean you instantly build a house after laying down some foundation.

Samething would be applicable in this instance. You have to prove the creation was instant or in a relatively short timeframe, neither Makai or Speedster have done that yet.

But i'm definitely waiting for that one scan Makai was talking about and Arc's translation of it.
 
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It’s fiction, they can create blue skies without making literal suns.

If you got the raws I can examine them for ya.



again I’d refer you to my original argument against intention implying a time:
こんどん さいこうしん ご こんとん その後混沌は 混沌はまず かい この世界を てんかい やがて最高神は めがみぞく 天界と女神族を ほんの きょじん 四番目に巨人を 造りましたが 造り出すと まじんおう ちから 20 力に溺れ傷つけあう 魔神王は 魔界と魔神族を まかい まじんぞく ことしか知らない しゅきく けんめつ 野蛮な種族に幻滅し 人間を造り 人に 出 出しました た さいこうしん まじんおう 最高神と魔神王 しんじゅ ようせいかい 神樹は妖精界と ばんめ しんじゅ 三番目に神樹を ようせいごく 生み落としました 妖精族をそれぞれ 造ったのです
 
It’s fiction, they can create blue skies without making literal suns.

If you got the raws I can examine them for ya.



again I’d refer you to my original argument against intention implying a time:
The blue sky argument Is what’s being used for Bleach current rating
 
Even if you steelman Makai's postion it still wouldn't grant a timeframe to the feat.

Just because it took a singular action (intent) for all these things to be created from nothingness doesn't mean that action and its following creation was instant. An action can occur but the effects of said action aren't always instant, the action of building a house doesn't mean you instantly build a house after laying down some foundation.

Samething would be applicable in this instance. You have to prove the creation was instant or in a relatively short timeframe, neither Makai or Speedster have done that yet.

But i'm definitely waiting for that one scan Makai was talking about and Arc's translation of it.
The translation i made for the regen was accepted They can regen From their body getting pierced and decapitated in the blink of an eye
 
The blue sky argument Is what’s being used for Bleach current rating
No it ain’t. Stop spouting blatant ignorance. It’s frankly annoying, you obviously don’t know a thing about why the Kyogoku is tier 4, and as the person who proposed said ratings it’s abundantly clear. Stop turning your cope over NNT’s potential tier 4 downgrade into misguided incorrect slights towards other verses. It’s downright pathetic. That being said I’ll look at the translation in the morning, if you could get a scan to accompany it that’d be great.
 
No it ain’t. Stop spouting blatant ignorance. It’s frankly annoying, you obviously don’t know a thing about why the Kyogoku is tier 4, and as the person who proposed said ratings it’s abundantly clear. Stop turning your cope over NNT’s potential tier 4 downgrade into misguided incorrect slights towards other verses. It’s downright pathetic. That being said I’ll look at the translation in the morning, if you could get a scan to accompany it that’d be great.
Stop whining i stated facts i didn’t even emit a single critic i just stated where i saw this type of argument

Bleach factually has a calc that goes From the assumption that a H 4-C structure was made

The blue sky means light passes that’s all it means

The Presence of a star doesn’t inherently mean it’s a Sun

The distance isn’t inherently an IRL Earth/Sun distance

The « sustaining life » argument Is wrong as CFYOW stated it can sustain life only due to the reishi.

Now stop being weird like this
 
No it ain’t. Stop spouting blatant ignorance. It’s frankly annoying, you obviously don’t know a thing about why the Kyogoku is tier 4, and as the person who proposed said ratings it’s abundantly clear. Stop turning your cope over NNT’s potential tier 4 downgrade into misguided incorrect slights towards other verses. It’s downright pathetic. That being said I’ll look at the translation in the morning, if you could get a scan to accompany it that’d be great.
Btw there’s no « cope » about anything y’all just get angry by misinterpretating things
You are pathetic and pretty much disrespectful i have the entire right to cite the source of an argument and at first i didn’t even talk about it in a wrong way.
 
I was stunned into silence on how objectively wrong you're about comparing NNT's example with Bleach's example.

Don't try to bring up examples from other verses when.
  1. You aren't knowledgeable on the other verse you're citing.
  2. Using it against someone who is quite literally one of the most knowledgeable people of said verse, and is the main calcer of the verse.
This isn't going to end well for you man.
 
I was stunned into silence on how objectively wrong you're about comparing NNT's example with Bleach's example.
I was citing the source of the argument in question

Don't try to bring up examples from other verses when.
  1. You aren't knowledgeable on the other verse you're citing.
  2. Using it against someone who is quite literally one of the most knowledgeable people of said verse, and is the main calcer of the verse.
1.I’m quite knowledgable on the verse
2.Well ig now we have to be specialists to denote problems then close this thread you aren’t the most knowledgable dude on NNT you pretty much admitted it yourself
3.Bleach went back and forth for months Which means said knowledgable member did SHIT


This isn't going to end well for you man.
 
chaos creates things instantly it was shown when arthur first got his abilities... yall trying yall best with these downgrades but only doing it cuz we getting a upgrade currently..yall had months to do this .. anywho creation via chaos is instant, always has been even when current arthur fights... so yes creation for chaos is instant.. as for DK/SD meh i guess you can remove it not like it matters but for chaos, it stays
 
I was citing the source of the argument in question
Idc why you brought it up, it isn't relevant to this thread at all. If you have problems with that specific feat then make a CRT about it.

1. I’m quite knowledgable on the verse
2.Well ig now we have to be specialists to denote problems then close this thread you aren’t the most knowledgable dude on NNT you pretty much admitted it yourself
3.Bleach went back and forth for months Which means said knowledgable member did SHIT
1. You aren't, the fact you thought Kyogoku was assumed Tier 4 because of it having a blue sky and a light-source proves to me you know jack shit about Bleach scaling.
2. I didn't say that but whatever, keep going off queen.
3. You're actually just a goofy person if you believe Arc didn't do shit for multiple months. Stop saying blatantly wrong things because you're malding i'm balls deep in your verse.

This isn't going to end well for you man.
I'm currently dogwalking your verse, and i'm going to continually dogwalk it because supporters like you only wank shit. You can't do anything with any of the verses i like or Arc likes because we actually don't wank shit just because we're fans of the series.
 
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Idc why you brought it up, it isn't relevant to this thread at all. If you have problems with that specific feat then make a CRT about it.
Cuz i was citing the source of said reasoning you assumed i had problems with it i didn’t even said anything at first

1. You aren't, the fact you thought Kyogoku was assumed Tier 4 because of it having a blue sky and a light-source proves to me you know jack shit about Bleach scaling.
The argument for bleach is the canon novel CFYOW in which the Kyogoku is stated to have a natural light source and shown within the movie to have a star
The rayleigh scattering Is used to say that light passes through the atmosphere
Then the assumption Is made about an Earth-Sun system being needed to sustain life while CFYOW quite clearly explain that Kyogoku can hold Life


2. I didn't say that but whatever, keep going off queen.
you quite litteraly asked me to stop talking about Bleach cuz « i’m Not as knowledgable » as another user

3. You're actually just a goofy person if you believe Arc didn't do shit for multiple months. Stop saying blatantly wrong things because you're malding i'm balls deep in your verse.
All imma say Is the bleach verse was Low 2-C where Is it now ?

I'm currently dogwalking your verse, and i'm going to continually dogwalk it because supporters like you only wank shit. You can't do anything with any of the verses i like or Arc likes because we actually don't wank shit because we're fans of the series.
Arc didn’t wank ? I’ll repeat it then.
Where Is Low 2-C Bleach ???
 
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