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Tabuu vs Goku

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Point is, this is a stomp. I might've made the claim that Toys are in fact dangerous (Anything can if you use them right), but toys on their own that isn't sentient (Which is what tabuu sees them as) cannot harm you. That's a hilarious level of AP advantage. And Intelligence and Speed, but that's besides the point.
 
low 2-C because you exist > low 2.C because you're a universe

@Asuka dude, they do not swich between 2-D and 3-D, it's just perspective,and again i-frames are GAME MECHANICS, not cannon.
 
Overlord775 said:
low 2-C because you exist > low 2.C because you're a universe
@Asuka dude, they do not swich between 2-D and 3-D, it's just perspective,and again i-frames are GAME MECHANICS, not cannon.
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How is Low 2-C by existing any different from Low 2-C because you are said universe? If you break down the base components of both those statements, it literally means the same thing. The 2nd statement is "Because they're a universe and they exist, they're Low 2-C" while the first statement means "Because you exist, you're Low 2-C". One just has an added detail to it. Literally no difference.
 
No? Zamasu is a timeline thus he can take one attack on a Low 2-C scale before dying.

Dialga's heartbeats (if the statement is the same) are Low 2-C.

Thus Dialga's heartbeats on their own are strong enough to do heavy damage/kill Zamasu
 
I'm not talking about Dialga himself, I'm talking about the "Low 2-C via existing > Low 2-C via being the universe" thing. I've seen this in many threads, actually more of the threads involving beings that are temporal like Infinite Zamasu. How does being Low 2-C by exisiting make you superior to Low 2-C via being the universe?

Also how the **** is a heartbeat an Attack. That's what I don't get. If my heartbeat was able to generate enough force to create Earthquakes, would my fists be able to generate force on such a scale if I punch someone?
 
I literally just explained that.

Given that you spend more energy by throwing a punch compared to staying alive, yes
 
Explained what? I'm not referring to the Dialga example here, merely the concept of "Low 2-C via existing > Low 2-C via being a universe". At face value, they literally mean the same thing.
 
Because it's the same principle.

Low 2-C via being a universe means that you die to a single timeline busting attack.

Causing Low 2-C events passively means that you passively kill the guy who is a timeline (Not quite how it works, but it's to give an idea of the AP gap)
 
No, not "Causing Low 2-C events by existing", I mean "IS Low 2-C via existing". Like, because they exist, they're Low 2-C. That's it.
 
I mean, that depends entirely from what you mean with "Low 2-C via existing" in this case.

If you mean stuff like Zamasu being a timeline, then it's baseline. If you mean "Perform Low 2-C feats in a super casual way" it isn't
 
Thats super damn dumb, because even by the animation of that attack it is not omnidirectional since we only see the fight on a 2 dimensional plane.


Are the waves also going towards the screen? are they going behind tabuu as well? No.

Then it is not omnidirectional.
 
Attack going behind Tabuu

Tabuu


I vote Tabuu for Omni-directional Off-Waves and because it curb stomped Master Hand who curbstomps Arceus who curbstomps Dialga who is baseline Low 2-C
 
That is the worst argument ive seen for omni directional waves.


1.- The picc you posted doesnt show omni directionality at all, you can just easly go below or above that thing.

2.-Master Hand has no omni directional feats nor it is reasonable in any way to give Yabuu omni directionality for beating MH.

3-Neither arcceus nor Dialga are the same as their canon counterparts on the Smash Bros verse, hell, there has not even been any ccanoniccal fight between those two mons in their Smash Bros Throphy form against MH.


So no, debunked.
 
Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
3-Neither arcceus nor Dialga are the same as their canon counterparts on the Smash Bros verse, hell, there has not even been any ccanoniccal fight between those two mons in their Smash Bros Throphy form against MH.
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Smash Dialga is low 2-C beccause of statements frmo the Smash bros trophies (the Canon creation tio are 2-B) and Master Hand treats everything in the smash universe as toys, and smash Arceus and smash Dialga are part of the smash universe
 
Look here's the facts, goku can dodge the so-called omnidirectional waves and the ap gap is very questionable. Isn't IZ like 12 universes anyway? since he is like the entire timeline and was leaking in to other timeline's, ever expanding etc. that seems more impressive or at least similar to dialga's heartbeat. Anyway, again is there anything stopping goku from IT spamming then releasing a full powered kamehameha at point blank range?
 
AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
That's like saying Naruto and Sasuke are Star/Solar System level, all because they can defeat SSJ Goku and Freeza in Jump Force.
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If Freeza made a star level feat in the crossover, Jump Force Naruto would scale
 
AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
That's like saying Naruto and Sasuke are Star/Solar System level, all because they can defeat SSJ Goku and Freeza in Jump Force.
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False equivalency: Dialga has a Low 2-C feat in Smash. Bros, and Tabuu is canonically superior to that version of Dialga.

Meanwhile, characters in Jump Force have no feats, and there isn't even a concrete story. It's just a random crossover.
 
I discount my vote, seeing the usual DB comments potentially clouded my vision.
 
Overlord775 said:
AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
That's like saying Naruto and Sasuke are Star/Solar System level, all because they can defeat SSJ Goku and Freeza in Jump Force.
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If Freeza made a star level feat in the crossover, Jump Force Naruto would scale
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They're ALL scaled to keep the balance of the game in check...
 
DMB 1 said:
AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
That's like saying Naruto and Sasuke are Star/Solar System level, all because they can defeat SSJ Goku and Freeza in Jump Force.
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False equivalency: Dialga has a Low 2-C feat in Smash. Bros, and Tabuu is canonically superior to that version of Dialga.
Meanwhile, characters in Jump Force have no feats, and there isn't even a concrete story. It's just a random crossover.
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Can you just tell me the feat, so I could finally care about your argument for once...
 
Okay 2 things.

For one, every needs to stop with the condescending remarks and comments. Now. This is a discussion and nothing more. You can all disagree with each other as much as you want of course, but there is absolutely 0 reason to get heated about it and say stuff like "finally care" or "damn stupid". You are better than this to not act like whiny little children.

And second, if anyone here has any issues with stats, they best bring it up in an actual CRT. Because arguing about it here to derail this thread will not make things better.

All im going to say.
 
Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
That is the worst argument ive seen for omni directional waves.


1.- The picc you posted doesnt show omni directionality at all, you can just easly go below or above that thing.

2.-Master Hand has no omni directional feats nor it is reasonable in any way to give Yabuu omni directionality for beating MH.

3-Neither arcceus nor Dialga are the same as their canon counterparts on the Smash Bros verse, hell, there has not even been any ccanoniccal fight between those two mons in their Smash Bros Throphy form against MH.


So no, debunked.
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No one even cares about omni-directional waves. And Smash Arceus is literally a figurine that Master Hand is playing with. Master Hand views Arceus as a literal, inanimate, lifeless figurine.
 
"Master Hand views Arceus as a literal, inanimate, lifeless figurine."

That for some reason is imagining the figures beating himself (The hands) up
 
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