Tabuu vs Goku

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Yeah, look at this Infinite speed captian falccon dodging omnidiretional attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCmux_ChowQ

Please dont tell me you didnt know you could dodge the waves.

 

[Eficiente]

>GAMEPLAY video

Doesn't make it less valid at all.

>Oh, i guess sidestepping gives Smash Bros characcters infinite speed or invulnerability, you know you CAN dodge the waves, right?

Literally everything post-Sonic appearance was PIS.

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Oh my god...This is pricceless.

But you are using the GAMEPLAY portion of a fight that you claim its PIS to argue an attaccck is omnidiretional.

WHEN the fight its on a 2D plane (thus not omnidiretional), and in the exactly same fight you CAN dodge the "omnidirecctional" waves by side stepping and EVEN THEN you refuse to use the CUTSCENES where the attack has been shown to not be omni direcctional.


Thats so wrong i cannot even make it more clear.

Seriously, this argument is so wrong i cannot even.

 

[Overlord775]

I-frames are literally game mechanincs and the characters being able to fight Tabuu is PIS

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Then dont use a gameplay battle from a battle you consider PIS, or else i ccould easly claim that the waves being "omnidirectional" (which they wouldnt, even on the video you posted beccause the fight is on a 2d plane) is PIS too.

 

[Eficiente]

Obviously beating Tabuu is PIS, its attacks are not.

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

His GAMEPLAY ATTACKS are not PIS? On a fight you consider PIS?


Oh boy, thats super funny.

SPECCIALLY when they have been shown how they work on a cutscene.

Gimme one reason why we should take the PIS battle seriously when the same exact attacck (Pre-sonic weakening them, aka full power) is shown not to be omni directional on a cutscene.

 

[Eficiente]

I recommend you to stop overreacting, writing unneeded words in capital letters and wasting spaces in yours messages.

 

[Overlord775]

His GAMEPLAY ATTACKS are not PIS? On a fight you consider PIS?

"PIS, short for "Plot-Induced Stupidity" is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot "

Low 7-B character beating a low 2-C character is PIS, a character's attack looking different isn't, also if you look carefully you can see the attack he uses in the final battle is the epicenter of the Off Waves

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Tabuu just turn Goku into a toy. That's what he did at the start of the fight against Mario and guys. He just defeated because of Sonic who is 2-C for God's sake.

 

[Friendlysociopath]

@Friendly hax deosn't work like that, Goku has no resistence to OHK, so he will be affected
@Asuka they are Omnidirectional

Why is it a hax attack? Every attack from punches to kicks has turned the characters into trophies. Why not just be powerful enough to work?

 

[Eficiente]

Tabuu just turn Goku into a toy. That's what he did at the start of the fight against Mario and guys. He just defeated because of Sonic who is 2-C for God's sake.

No.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

He wasn't Darkspine Sonic. He's casual that can turn into Super.

 

[Eficiente]

I don't even know what you are saying, but in any case Smash Sonic isn't 2-C.

 

[Overlord775]

He wasn't Darkspine Sonic. He's casual that can turn into Super.

Cross scaling is banned

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Okay but still stand my point that he just can turn into a Amiibo for Reggie to sell it or something. Vote for Tabuu.

 

[Eficiente]

Cross scaling is banned

Actually false but for the most part yeah.

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Sorry, but thats wrong.


You are saying that beccause of a fight you consider PIS has an attacck of him shooting all around the screen means that its "omni directional" when the fight itself takes placce on a 2d plane, and the 3d cutsccene shows its literally a wave thrown out of his wings that cccould be easly jumped over.


Now, before you try to dodge my question once again.


Why should we cconsider the PIS fight over the ccutscenes?

Explain that or you are out of arguments.

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

"Okay but still stand my point that he just can turn into a Amiibo for Reggie to sell it or something. Vote for Tabuu."


Thats just a dumb reason for a vote as explained above.

 

[Eficiente]

I recommend you to stop overreacting, writing unneeded words in capital letters and wasting spaces in yours messages.

^Emphasizing this.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Tabuu via higher AP, I guess.

 

[Akreious]

Lets see if I get the AP right

Tabuu fodderizes the Hands, who fodderizes Arceus who fodderizes Dialga who's Baseline Low 2-C via existing

MUI Goku (Enraged) Fodderizes Limit Breaker Jiren who is superior to regular MUI Goku who fodderizes 100% Jiren who fodderizes UIO Goku (Kefla Fight) who is superior to UIO Goku (First fight) who is superior to Infinite Zamasu who is Low 2-C via existing.

... How does Tabuu have the AP advantage?

 

[Son_Gandhi]

Just out of curiousity, If Goku has higher ap or similar ap is there anything stopping him IT spamming whilst charging a kamehameha and then unleashing it at point blank range? Similar to what he done against Beerus in the BoG movie.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Then he wins, I guess ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

One thing that always annoys me when it comes to Dragon Ball Vs Smash is that people can't make up their damn minds, in one thread everyone agrees Smash is stronger, then later in another thread everyone agrees Dragon Ball is stronger; heck, I even brought this up in the Goku Vs Master Hand thread, where people were saying that Master Hand had an absurd AP advantage, yet Goku has a win against someone who is superior to two hands put together. Seriously people, which one is it?

 

[Akreious]

One thing that always annoys me when it comes to Dragon Ball Vs Smash is that people can't make up their damn minds, in one thread everyone agrees Smash is stronger, then later in another thread everyone agrees Dragon Ball is stronger; heck, I even brought this up in the Goku Vs Master Hand thread, where people were saying that Master Hand had an absurd AP advantage, yet Goku has a win against someone who is superior to two hands put together. Seriously people, which one is it?

Hah, you talk as if most of us (me included) are coherent enough to come to a concensus

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Yeah, i think the whole omnidirectional stuff has been debunked by now.


Goku dodges and then one shots.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Yeah, i think the whole omnidirectional stuff has been debunked by now.


Goku dodges and then one shots.

It's shown to be omnidirectional even out of game play. Tabuu losing is PIS, how his attacks work isn't. Also Goku isn't strong enough to one shot.

 

[Friendlysociopath]

Yeah, i think the whole omnidirectional stuff has been debunked by now.


Goku dodges and then one shots.

It's shown to be omnidirectional even out of game play. Tabuu losing is PIS, how his attacks work isn't. Also Goku isn't strong enough to one shot.

It's shown to be a flat wave outside of game play and furthermore has pretty limited range and speed all things considered. Not to mention it's being assigned hax it may or may not have given that we see multiple attacks turn people into trophies- why is this one given the auto-KO hax?

I'm also curious how you can call PIS when a majority of his feats involve characters at that level- not Master Hand. He has exactly two interactions with MH: chaining him up and then blocking his attack.

He has far more interactions with the lower-tiers: blasting Ganondorf, blasting the entire cast, being blitzed by Sonic, being defeated by the cast. PIS requires him to more consistently follow the former route

Not to mention if he was so above them to begin with then why bother with the MH subterfuge in the first place? Tabuu couldn't simply absorb the Smash-verse on his own- he needed the subspace bombs and the army of ROBs to do it for him.

Kinda makes you wonder if he actually deserves a universal rating in the first place...

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

You might want to explain why you think how that is omnidirectional, wright.


Becuase, you do know that omni directional isnt a circle, but a sphere, right?

 

[Cropfist]

I'm also curious how you can call PIS when a majority of his feats involve characters at that level- not Master Hand. He has exactly two interactions with MH: chaining him up and then blocking his attack.

He has far more interactions with the lower-tiers: blasting Ganondorf, blasting the entire cast,

One-shotting those characters isn't a low-end feat....

 

[Friendlysociopath]

I'm also curious how you can call PIS when a majority of his feats involve characters at that level- not Master Hand. He has exactly two interactions with MH: chaining him up and then blocking his attack.

He has far more interactions with the lower-tiers: blasting Ganondorf, blasting the entire cast,

One-shotting those characters isn't a low-end feat....

You say that like the story for that game doesn't, repeatedly, show the characters oneshot by attacks; they get oneshot all the time- in cutscenes nonetheless. Mario right off the bat or so gets KO'd by a single cannonball. One-shotting them means practically nothing.

Also Tabuu literally has more showings of him being on the level of the characters rather than Master Hand. You can only call PIS if you know the character is capable of more- you don't. Tabuu's showings relate more often to the weaker cast than Master Hand. In fact you're not even shown how he enslaved Master Hand in the first place- almost like he's a villain who (for plot reasons) had an advantage that he needed to enact his plan so he could progress the plot... that sounds more like PIS for Master Hand being enslaved than it does Tabuu.

Tabuu also used a shield to block MH- Sonic hit him when he was unshielded. Call me skeptical, but I would then find the most obvious solution that he needs his shield to block MH and without it- he can be damaged by the others.

 

[Son_Gandhi]

So who has the ap advantage here, can nobody agree? Based on what I've read goku has ap advantage, if that's the case he spams IT and one shots with a full powered kamehameha.

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Goku has the ap advatange, but the same guys who say Tabuu has an omni directional attack say that he can stomp someone who is at least 4000 times low 2-C


And, yeah, i think we cacn be sure that the omni thing has been 100% debunked.

 

[Cropfist]

It doesn't matter is his feats "involve" weaker characters more than universal+ ones, if most of the feats are one-shotting them it's not at all contradictory evidence.

 

[Noahkaismith]

Lets see if I get the AP right
Tabuu fodderizes the Hands, who fodderizes Arceus who fodderizes Dialga who's Baseline Low 2-C via existing

MUI Goku (Enraged) Fodderizes Limit Breaker Jiren who is superior to regular MUI Goku who fodderizes 100% Jiren who fodderizes UIO Goku (Kefla Fight) who is superior to UIO Goku (First fight) who is superior to Infinite Zamasu who is Low 2-C via existing.

... How does Tabuu have the AP advantage?

Master Hand fodderizing Arceus is a massive understatement. He literally uses him as a toy.

Enraged MUI Goku never fodderized Limit Breaker Jiren, and Jiren was not surperior to MUI Goku. Jiren literally resorted to attacking the audience members. 100% Jiren never fodderized UIO Goku either, as the two never fought. I'm pretty sure Infinite Zamasu is baseline low 2-C as well.

 

[Noahkaismith]

Goku has the ap advatange, but the same guys who say Tabuu has an omni directional attack say that he can stomp someone who is at least 4000 times low 2-C


And, yeah, i think we cacn be sure that the omni thing has been 100% debunked.

How is Goku 4000 times low 2-C?

 

[Noahkaismith]

Just realized I haven't voted yet. Tabuu with little to no difficulty for reasons above.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, Tabuu does one-shot?

 

[Son_Gandhi]

I'll vote goku for reasons I previously stayed.