Supernatural: Possible Revision to the Archangels

[Aizenishere]

@Kep

Do we happen to know how big Heaven is? Remember that the angels needed an Archangel to keep Heaven "in buisness" (for lack of a better term) to prevent all the souls from pouring into Earth.

 

[AstralKing7]

everyone in heaven seems to have their on space with their world in it but i dont know if their worlds literally have universes or not but lets just say heaven has lots of dead people in it lol

 

[Kepekley23]

It's at least universe-sized by statements.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Would Jessie Turner be affected by this upgrade ?

To me , " 3-B , possibly 3-A " for those who scale to the Archangels seems fine. Though... I'm fine with just 3-B.

 

[Aizenishere]

It's at least universe-sized by statements.

Well according to the wiki Heaven crumbles if it isn't powered and while it's (barely) standing cuz of the few remaining angels. Doesn't the fact that an Archangel is needed to sustain Heaven further back a 3-A rating?

 

[Nico-v11]

Would Jessie Turner be affected by this upgrade ?

To me , " 3-B , possibly 3-A " for those who scale to the Archangels seems fine. Though... I'm fine with just 3-B.

He would have to.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Thanks. Question... If we assume that Jessie has access to all of Lucifer's Powers... Would that include Post-Having Jack's grace ,since the source of his powers is Lucifer ?

 

[Nico-v11]

@Kep in the OP you mention that Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell make up the space-time continuum which actually isn't true. There's way more like the Avalon (Fairy Realm), Oz, The Empty, and The Veil (which Death is in charge of).

I didn't include separate the many different universes because that's another thing entirely so maybe these make a difference in tier since the destruction of the "Universe" would also destroy all of these as well?

 

[Nico-v11]

Thanks. Question... If we assume that Jessie has access to all of Lucifer's Powers... Would that include Post-Having Jack's grace ,since the source of his powers is Lucifer ?

Probably not.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

... Okay.

 

[PaChi2]

If I may:

Amped Lucifer > Apocalypse Michael in his sword.

Dean was defeated and won thanks to a surpise attack.

 

[PaChi2]

Well according to the wiki Heaven crumbles if it isn't powered and while it's (barely) standing cuz of the few remaining angels. Doesn't the fact that an Archangel is needed to sustain Heaven further back a 3-A rating?

That'd make random angels 3-C to 3-B, its not useable.

 

[Nico-v11]

If I may:

Amped Lucifer > Apocalypse Michael in his sword.

Dean was defeated and won thanks to a surpise attack.

That's skill instead of power so I'd say they are equal

 

[Nico-v11]

Huh apparently the Supernatural Wiki says that Oz is only a part of Avalon so never mind there. Still it's definitely another place like Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory except much more physical

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with what Kepekley and Matthew agreed about.

 

[Nico-v11]

Shouldn't Ever be here? Considering he and Matt were working on some Supernatural changes together?

 

[Kepekley23]

He is busy with other franchises.

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok

 

[Nico-v11]

I've seen evidence for 3-A but not for 3-B. What was the reasoning for 3-B again?

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[Kepekley23]

Lucifer told Dean and Sam it'd probably take seven to ten days to recreate the universe.

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe "At least 3-B" would be appropriate then?

 

[Kepekley23]

Seems like we're getting "At least 3-B, possibly 3-A" based on the above.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Sounds like a good tier (now to make Lucy fight a different Odin)

 

[Nico-v11]

What about everyone else above the Archangels? Would they be At Least 3-A?

 

[Kepekley23]

No, don't think so.

 

[Nico-v11]

So God Castiel and Metatron with Angel Tablet would be "At Least 3-B" possibly 3-A?

Jessie would likely also be 3-B possibly 3-A then. Jack I'm not sure about. Lucifer Amped and Michael with True Vessel are just 3-A then.

 

[Antvasima]

So is anybody experienced willing to apply these changes?

 

[Theglassman12]

I can try the archangels' profiles.

 

[Theglassman12]

also, just to double check, are the archangels accepted to be just 3-B, or at least 3-B, possibly 3-A?

 

[Antvasima]

Let's wait for Kepekley to reply.

 

[Nico-v11]

There's still others we've got to take note on as well. Crowley wih the Rod of Aaron would also get the upgrade as well.

 

[Nico-v11]

And Asmodeus (Supernatural)

 

[Aizenishere]

Why is Asmodeus likely High 6-A? He may have been using Gabriel's grace but once Gabriel actually fought back Asmodeus got curb stomped

 

[Hellbeast1]

Plus Gabriel was low on Grace if memory serves

 

[Aizenishere]

@Hellbeast

You're correct. He took off and didn't even have enough grace to heal from his fight with Fenrir. Gabriel was basically running on fumes the whole time. His grace never really replenished

EDIT: Which was also made evident when his grace wasn't enough to open the portal.

So Asmodeus shouldn't scale at all imo. If I'm wrong please correct me

 

[PaChi2]

Seems like we're getting "At least 3-B, possibly 3-A" based on the above.

3-A is very questionable when archangels are absolute fodder to Amara/Chuck.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

God Castiel killed Raphael with a finger snap, and he's fodder to Death.

 

[Kepekley23]

I'm fine with 3-B.