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Super Ninja Cyborg vs. The Sorcerer Killer

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Raiden VS Toji Fushiguro





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Rules:

Raiden Key: MSG4 (8-A)
Speed is Equalized.

Both start in Shibuya, 10 meters apart facing each other.
The fight takes place at night. Toji has knowledge about Raiden, his skills, and arsenal.
Before Raiden's arrival, Toji had 6 hours to prepare.
Note:
Raiden scales to [156.78] Dura/AP. LS of: 7,809,567 Tons
Toji scales to [110.14] Dura/AP. LS of: 125,959 Tons

SBA for everything else.

Toji Fushiguro:

Raiden:

Undefined:
 
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Doesn't Raiden just skill stomp Toji to death?
Toji, having knowledge of Raiden, could confront him if he avoids the HF sword, of which he should also have knowledge of its extended reach, so he would avoid any lethal shots. After all, he has extrasensory perception and enhanced senses that contribute to him.
 
Toji, having knowledge of Raiden, could confront him if he avoids the HF sword, of which he should also have knowledge of its extended reach, so he would avoid any lethal shots. After all, he has extrasensory perception and enhanced senses that contribute to him.
OP says he just has knowledge about Raiden which is pretty vague. If he's meant to know about things like the HF sword and its extended reach that should probably be noted specifically in the OP to avoid confusion.
 
OP says he just has knowledge about Raiden which is pretty vague. If he's meant to know about things like the HF sword and its extended reach that should probably be noted specifically in the OP to avoid confusion.
I already specified Toji's knowledge about Raiden, and he has time to prepare with the knowledge he has.
 
There is literally nothing Toji can do to prepare for Raiden Stealth killing him or just Skill stomping him.
I dare say that Toji could track Raiden with his senses, which according to his profile are sufficient to detect human smells and footprints. They also match Maki's, who can identify thermal changes and air density.

He also has Celestial Restriction information analysis, which supposedly extends his sensory range far beyond the natural range of his body to feel through his surroundings. Perhaps this could help anticipate Raiden's stealth mastery.
 
Toji's main win con gets destroyed, clear stomp. Although Toji's sword has range as well we see Daido attack from range with it too. It really just depends who's better at dodging and who swings better
 
It seems like it makes contact in 2/3 links (the first one gave me a playback error) it just cuts way further into an item
Exactly. The cuts are way longer than the actual length of the blade.

Here's another example. At 6:45.
 
It seems like it makes contact in 2/3 links (the first one gave me a playback error) it just cuts way further into an item
The first one explicitly shows he's far away from the wall yet cut it. Check the page. And yeah his cuts work even without physical contact, he'd need 6m long blade to do some of these cuts.
 
Toji's main win con gets destroyed, clear stomp. Although Toji's sword has range as well we see Daido attack from range with it too. It really just depends who's better at dodging and who swings better
I think Raiden is more skilled than Toji and even more experienced since he is actually older than him. Raiden is currently 35 years old and has lived through numerous experiences, starting as a child soldier at just 6 years old, trained from that age by clones of Big Boss (some of the top skills within the verse). Shortly after, he completed approximately 300 missions in virtual reality and eventually faced his own mentor in a sword fight when the latter seemed to have an advantage. So you can get an idea of who would dodge and attack first.
Also he's got L'Etranger for extended range.
He shouldn't have access to that weapon at this key, but he should have access to the gadgets from MGS2 that really make the confrontation much more difficult for Toji.
 
What about Tojis other equipment like the swarm of Fly heads that Raiden can't see could they just overwhelm him with shear numbers? allowing Toji to get a shot in?
 
What about Tojis other equipment like the swarm of Fly heads that Raiden can't see could they just overwhelm him with shear numbers? allowing Toji to get a shot in?
I'm pretty sure Raiden's Enhanced Senses scale to Snake and Big Boss both of whom can see ghosts (Yeah, I looked at his equipment and he has the Soliton Radar).
 
I'm pretty sure Raiden's Enhanced Senses scale to Snake and Big Boss both of whom can see ghosts (Yeah, I looked at his equipment and he has the Soliton Radar).
Weird way to scale considering seeing a ghost (The Sorrow) was a Big Boss feat and maybe Solid could scale because hes a clone but to assume someone else could is a tad strange, physical feats I understand but I don't think sensing ghosts counts for all of them
 
Weird way to scale considering seeing a ghost (The Sorrow) was a Big Boss feat and maybe Solid could scale because hes a clone but to assume someone else could is a tad strange, physical feats I understand but I don't think sensing ghosts counts for all of them
Even if he can't, Raiden can still detect them with Soliton Radar.
 
Weird way to scale considering seeing a ghost (The Sorrow) was a Big Boss feat and maybe Solid could scale because hes a clone but to assume someone else could is a tad strange, physical feats I understand but I don't think sensing ghosts counts for all of them
IIRC, Solid Snake can see ghosts in MGS1 via camera and saw the ghost of Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow in MGS4 (hard to see, but on the left of the third left light)

IDK if being "shaped like Solid Snake" can really give him these abilities but i'm just leaving this here
 
Cursed spirits are said to not show up on cameras
That's how they work in JJK; in Metal Gear, it's possible to see them, and since it ultimately involves a hax of extrasensory perception, it would work in the end. Unless the topic of curses is much more complex.
 
That's how they work in JJK; in Metal Gear, it's possible to see them, and since it ultimately involves a hax of extrasensory perception, it would work in the end. Unless the topic of curses is much more complex.
Raiden doesn't have extrasensory perception on his page, his Soliton Radar tho does state it can see ghosts
 
....Yeah Toji could have all the prep time in the world, but he still loses to Raiden in this key.

While Toji's enhanced senses means that Raiden's extensive stealth skills are most likely a moot point, Raiden's arsenal of ranged weaponry far outclasses most of Toji's own arsenal in both range and destructive capability, and weapons such as C4s and mines could allow Raiden to quickly prepare his own means of trapping Toji in a fight.

In addition, not only is Raiden obviously stronger than Toji, but its fair to say that he's also more properly trained as well. Raiden was trained by Solidus at a young age in hand to hand and blade combat, and fought in wars as early as 6 years old, and while Toji isn't inexperienced when it comes to fighting, he's more self taught than anything else due to having to rely on himself.

This of course leads into my last point: experience and battle history. While Toji was definetely a notorious threat in the world of sorcerers, his fighting style and overall experience is mostly tailored to that of fighting and killing sorcerers: people who are otherwise physically normal but have abilities that make them incredibly powerful through hax-like abilities. This applies to Toji's arsenal as well, as almost all of his gear is designed to fight sorcerers.

In contrast, Raiden was literally born to kill anyone that stands in his way. Not only has he fought regular men as just a child, but would later go on to fight a greater and wider range of enemies, such as Vampires, Metal Gears and even Cyborgs. For all the cursed tools Toji has, Toji himself is an otherwise strong human with a few magic tricks and is not really anything that Raiden hasn't faced before.

In short Toji's experience is mostly against one specific group of people (with his gear also designed around fighting them), while Raiden's experience gives him a lot more variety (with his gear also being non-specific). Toji being given prep time wouldn't help either as the Zen'in Clan's cursed tools storage doesn't exactly provide any tools meant against cyborgs either.

There are a few more minor details here and there that I also feel would tip the tide further in Raiden's favour, but for the most part all that I have written above is why Raiden would eventually win against Toji.

So yeah voting Raiden
 
I dare say that Toji could track Raiden with his senses, which according to his profile are sufficient to detect human smells and footprints.
That isnt good tho. Also hes a cyborg that can control his weight .
They also match Maki's, who can identify thermal changes and air density.
Nothing new, Null could do that and hes fodder.
He also has Celestial Restriction information analysis, which supposedly extends his sensory range far beyond the natural range of his body to feel through his surroundings.
Psycho Mantis.
Perhaps this could help anticipate Raiden's stealth mastery.
It wont.
 
That isnt good tho. Also hes a cyborg that can control his weight .

Nothing new, Null could do that and hes fodder.

Psycho Mantis.

It wont.
A long time ago, I changed my perspective on this confrontation in favor of Raiden. In any case, it is true that Toji's senses would not work against Raiden, as I doubt it would reach something as extreme as smelling the brain or the spine, which are his only biological parts still in his current body.
 
Raiden VS Toji Fushiguro





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Rules:

Raiden Key: MSG4 (8-A)
Speed is Equalized.

Both start in Shibuya, 10 meters apart facing each other.
The fight takes place at night. Toji has knowledge about Raiden, his skills, and arsenal.
Before Raiden's arrival, Toji had 6 hours to prepare.
Note:
Raiden scales to [156.78] Dura/AP. LS of: 7,809,567 Tons
Toji scales to [110.14] Dura/AP. LS of: 125,959 Tons

SBA for everything else.

Toji Fushiguro:

Raiden:

Undefined:
I'm pretty sure Raiden outskills, and might as well be able to keep up with Toji fast enough. Although Toji has slightly more experience than this version of Raiden
Toji's preppy ain't saving him, if Raiden parries the SSK it's over, soul hax do not save you from Matter Manipulation. Nothing except Senator's invulnerability hax can tank an HF blade, and these armors are made directly to tank them.
And even guys with knowledge in the Metal Gear verse think grenades and guns are effective against a much better Raiden so I don't think that's helping him. Call it prep time nullifier lol.

Oh wait speed equalised, nvm. Now, the problem is who has more agility, Raiden definitely has faster combat pacing but Toji has some very cool agility feats. Raiden has superior combat skill and knowledge because of CQC and military training, but it won't come to that.

Also idk if SSK works on bare flesh or can also penetrate armor. It ain't for sure getting on Raiden's face because he's not dumb.

Givin' this to Jack.
 
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