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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.
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Princess Peach is also getting a new solo game! Woo! After how Super Princess Peach just got ignored with the years, this is a nice surprise.
Crossing my fingers that the Four Stooges of the Apocalypse at Squeenix don't mess around with the Mario RPG Remake.
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WE WON.
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Who're they?
Also, it might already be too late. You can see in the trailer that the battle system has some kind of "Chain" Counter that increments when hits are landed. Was that in the original SMRPG?
I forget, what'd this Yoshi do?HE WILL RETURN IN GLORIOUS HD
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That WAS in the original Super Mario RPG, but it wasn’t really visible per say.
You feed him 30 cookies to make him fat.
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Because that’s something you can apparently do in Super Mario RPG.
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I’m so happy the absolute queen is returning for the remake.
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Yoko Shimomura coming to cook like she always does
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Tetsuya Nomura, Yoshinori Kitase, Motomu Toriyama and Kazuhige Nojima, the guys that have been behind, to varying degrees, of controversial decisions in the Final Fantasy franchise for a while.
Say, the fat Yoshi is actually on the game? How the frig did I miss that? lol
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!
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@Imaginym wanted to compare notes. So I'm sending what I gathered from Mario Wonder at their request
Mario Can Stretch his body in absurd ways. Not sure what to call this
Mario can become a spike ball of some sort, again not sure what does ability/feat falls under.
Minor Darkness Resistance? Can see well in the dark
Gliding with his Cap. Should apply to toads yoshis luigi peach and daisy. While the flower says "it's time to fly" the action looks more like gliding than flying
Flight with a new flower
Animal manipulation with the elephant mushroom. Can increase launching foes, could apply to Yoshi Daisy Peach Luigi and Toad.
Also. I should state that I'm not proposing anything yet, I'm sharing what I gathered and want to make a CRT for Mario Wonder when it comes out so then when it releases I can get more info.
Mario Can Stretch his body in absurd ways. Not sure what to call this
Mario can become a spike ball of some sort, again not sure what does ability/feat falls under.
Minor Darkness Resistance? Can see well in the dark
Gliding with his Cap. Should apply to toads yoshis luigi peach and daisy. While the flower says "it's time to fly" the action looks more like gliding than flying
Flight with a new flower
Animal manipulation with the elephant mushroom. Can increase launching foes, could apply to Yoshi Daisy Peach Luigi and Toad.
Also. I should state that I'm not proposing anything yet, I'm sharing what I gathered and want to make a CRT for Mario Wonder when it comes out so then when it releases I can get more info.
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So, has anyone noticed that we were shown a little bit of how the flowers work in the SMBW trailer?
0:25 When Mario touches the pink buds/bulbs, coins are sent flying out ahead & released.
0:41 When Mario touches the blue bud/bulb, it triggers all the pipes -Some of which are already spouting water- to rise up, & seemingly, the Blue "Wonder Flower" to spawn.
1:22 1 of the blue ones is visible, rightwards & upwards from Mario, before the title covers it. Mario after stopping, visibly looks upwards, with his mouth agape, as though interested. So, is this automatic -Like how Link or Pokemon Trainers may look towards objects of interest, such as items or signs, in gameplay, when idle?- or is it manual, like how Mario/Luigi would look upwards if you tilted the control stick up while on the ground in Super Mario World?
Obviously, the trailer is doing it to have some fun by having Mario look at the title on-screen, but it's gameplay footage, & if it's automatic, that'd suggest the buds/bulbs are objects of significance to Mario.
1:45 Maybe not very relevant, depending on how relevant Wonder Seeds themselves are, but the video at this point shows a Wonder Seed that's invisible while there's light, & glows bright with light while it's dark.
1:54 Perhaps the most notable. When the Yellow Wonder Flower is touched, the landscape, both in the foreground & the background tilts, becoming slanted. The foreground appears to be snow-lined caves -Some kind of stone material?- & the background has giant gears & what are either trees or mountains that have multiple layers of snow on top of them.
It may be worth attempting to calc the Lifting Strength &/or AP for tilting that much mass, & maybe also try to determine the distance, as that'd establish a range for the "Wonder Land" effects.
This scene also isn't the first to show it, but it does more clearly show that when a Wonder Flower's effect is initiated, Mario & co. turn into glowing, coloured balls. Are these their souls? Are they being sent between parallel worlds?
AND the Yellow Wonder Flower itself, turns into some kind of flower-marked coin; The Blue Wonder Flower was not shown to do this.
1:59 The boss Mario throws a fireball at not only appears to have an aura similar to that the Wonder Flowers had, but if you zoom in before it enlarges, you can see that it resembles a Dark Bowser colouration version of Bowser Jr.! The enlarged monster's mouth even seems to be based off of the design on Bowser Jr.'s scarf or such!
Perhaps this is a dark &/or corruptive version of the "Wonder" effects?
Nonetheless, it's questionable if it was damaged by Mario's Fireballs, & it responds by making a noise & releasing an aura that radiates throughout the room, but unlike other Wonder Effects, doesn't seem to change the surroundings, only the size of the affected being & Mario.
2:06 As Mario & company land on the flagpole, we can see what look like a small amount of the left side of a structure of Bowser's fortresses; It appears to have a "Bowser horn", typical of such Koopa Troop fortifications. It also appears to glow briefly before the camera pans over, & as it does, it dissolves into many particles, & becomes some kind of... Flower Kingdom Toad House? BUD-dy Toad? Flower Toad? Considering the preceding parts of the area in this segment appear to have been affected by a "Wonder" effect, & they are rewarded with what seem to be Wonder Seeds, this may be related to the useage of the Wonder Flower. (Or is it for landing atop the Flag Pole?)
Nonetheless, the building was transmuted, & considering it's dubious if there was ever such a "Flower Toad"/"Buddy" in there, at least 1 inhabitant, such as from Bowser's Forces, may also have been similarly altered. Considering said being then hands out Wonder Seeds, well....
It seems fitting, yet disturbing in a way; Using the Wonder Flowers may lead to the propagation of Wonder Seeds, even if that means the alteration of other things.
If Darkness Manipulation were actually being used, maybe Resistance to Darkness Manipulation, but eh.... Resistance to Darkness for having your eyes visible when it goes Dark?
That's very Limited at best, IMHO. Surely he has a better way to get Resistance to that.
I'd say it's a solid instance of Limited Toon Force, though. Definitely worth adding to his repertoire of Toon Force abilities.
If you pause at 1:50, you can see a sign with a parachute that has a cap with Mario's emblem for a top, implying this is a zone where the cap can be used like a parachute/hang-glider.
That is, this may just be something only done in that area.
I'm reminded of the Donkey Kong Country games. Didn't they have signs marking the beginning &/or end of areas, that transformed the player character to or from an Animal Buddy form?
I recall Gusty Garden Galaxy; Couldn't Mario fly in a limited capacity there by grabbing onto giant dandelions/flowers?
The Goomba does seem to get launched further away than an enemy might normally be from being hit by Mario, although it is notable that the animation shows Mario smacking it with his trunk, & there's even an impact visual effect.
Besides that it's fodder -& a Goomba which was sleeping, at that- this might be just increased Attack Potency, Striking Strength &/or Lifting Strength. Elephants are known for being big & tough, so Elephant Mario might just be bigger & tougher, similarly to such expectations.
Hopefully this is useful, or at least appreciable.
Sorry if I was unhelpful, &/or unpleasantly critical or such.
0:25 When Mario touches the pink buds/bulbs, coins are sent flying out ahead & released.
0:41 When Mario touches the blue bud/bulb, it triggers all the pipes -Some of which are already spouting water- to rise up, & seemingly, the Blue "Wonder Flower" to spawn.
1:22 1 of the blue ones is visible, rightwards & upwards from Mario, before the title covers it. Mario after stopping, visibly looks upwards, with his mouth agape, as though interested. So, is this automatic -Like how Link or Pokemon Trainers may look towards objects of interest, such as items or signs, in gameplay, when idle?- or is it manual, like how Mario/Luigi would look upwards if you tilted the control stick up while on the ground in Super Mario World?
Obviously, the trailer is doing it to have some fun by having Mario look at the title on-screen, but it's gameplay footage, & if it's automatic, that'd suggest the buds/bulbs are objects of significance to Mario.
1:45 Maybe not very relevant, depending on how relevant Wonder Seeds themselves are, but the video at this point shows a Wonder Seed that's invisible while there's light, & glows bright with light while it's dark.
1:54 Perhaps the most notable. When the Yellow Wonder Flower is touched, the landscape, both in the foreground & the background tilts, becoming slanted. The foreground appears to be snow-lined caves -Some kind of stone material?- & the background has giant gears & what are either trees or mountains that have multiple layers of snow on top of them.
It may be worth attempting to calc the Lifting Strength &/or AP for tilting that much mass, & maybe also try to determine the distance, as that'd establish a range for the "Wonder Land" effects.
This scene also isn't the first to show it, but it does more clearly show that when a Wonder Flower's effect is initiated, Mario & co. turn into glowing, coloured balls. Are these their souls? Are they being sent between parallel worlds?
AND the Yellow Wonder Flower itself, turns into some kind of flower-marked coin; The Blue Wonder Flower was not shown to do this.
1:59 The boss Mario throws a fireball at not only appears to have an aura similar to that the Wonder Flowers had, but if you zoom in before it enlarges, you can see that it resembles a Dark Bowser colouration version of Bowser Jr.! The enlarged monster's mouth even seems to be based off of the design on Bowser Jr.'s scarf or such!
Perhaps this is a dark &/or corruptive version of the "Wonder" effects?
Nonetheless, it's questionable if it was damaged by Mario's Fireballs, & it responds by making a noise & releasing an aura that radiates throughout the room, but unlike other Wonder Effects, doesn't seem to change the surroundings, only the size of the affected being & Mario.
2:06 As Mario & company land on the flagpole, we can see what look like a small amount of the left side of a structure of Bowser's fortresses; It appears to have a "Bowser horn", typical of such Koopa Troop fortifications. It also appears to glow briefly before the camera pans over, & as it does, it dissolves into many particles, & becomes some kind of... Flower Kingdom Toad House? BUD-dy Toad? Flower Toad? Considering the preceding parts of the area in this segment appear to have been affected by a "Wonder" effect, & they are rewarded with what seem to be Wonder Seeds, this may be related to the useage of the Wonder Flower. (Or is it for landing atop the Flag Pole?)
Nonetheless, the building was transmuted, & considering it's dubious if there was ever such a "Flower Toad"/"Buddy" in there, at least 1 inhabitant, such as from Bowser's Forces, may also have been similarly altered. Considering said being then hands out Wonder Seeds, well....
It seems fitting, yet disturbing in a way; Using the Wonder Flowers may lead to the propagation of Wonder Seeds, even if that means the alteration of other things.
I presume you mean for this to only apply while Mario is under a "Wonder" Effect, such as from a "Wonder Flower"?
Elasticity? Body Control? Size Manipulation? Maybe some of those are limited in some capacity?
Transmutation? Transformation? Shapeshifting?
Isn't that just Enhanced Senses? Also, eyes being visible in the dark doesn't mean he can see better than average in the dark, so what's the basis? Plus, a lot of cartoon characters have had their eyes visible in the dark, & I'd say this Mario is noticeably cartoon-inspired, perhaps more so than previous versions.
If Darkness Manipulation were actually being used, maybe Resistance to Darkness Manipulation, but eh.... Resistance to Darkness for having your eyes visible when it goes Dark?
That's very Limited at best, IMHO. Surely he has a better way to get Resistance to that.
I'd say it's a solid instance of Limited Toon Force, though. Definitely worth adding to his repertoire of Toon Force abilities.
This may not entirely be their own capability.
If you pause at 1:50, you can see a sign with a parachute that has a cap with Mario's emblem for a top, implying this is a zone where the cap can be used like a parachute/hang-glider.
That is, this may just be something only done in that area.
I'm reminded of the Donkey Kong Country games. Didn't they have signs marking the beginning &/or end of areas, that transformed the player character to or from an Animal Buddy form?
That might be something that's just there for them to access on the map. At best, I'd call it Optional Equipment.
I recall Gusty Garden Galaxy; Couldn't Mario fly in a limited capacity there by grabbing onto giant dandelions/flowers?
Unsure if it's Animal Manipulation. I'd call it Transformation &/or Shapeshifting.
The Goomba does seem to get launched further away than an enemy might normally be from being hit by Mario, although it is notable that the animation shows Mario smacking it with his trunk, & there's even an impact visual effect.
Besides that it's fodder -& a Goomba which was sleeping, at that- this might be just increased Attack Potency, Striking Strength &/or Lifting Strength. Elephants are known for being big & tough, so Elephant Mario might just be bigger & tougher, similarly to such expectations.
That's good to know.
Hopefully this is useful, or at least appreciable.
Sorry if I was unhelpful, &/or unpleasantly critical or such.
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So, do you have any thoughts on what I've said?
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Havent read all of it, mostly glimpsed but you're chill about the criticism and pointing out what I probably misunderstood. So dont worry about being harsh
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OK, so we got Mario RPG remade… only Hoops 3-On-3 and Sports Mix remain.
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It’ll be bad i fear
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Nah, Hoops 3-On-3 was well received despite it being on the DS (which was infamous for it’s games abusing the stylus and the microphone). And Sports Mix only got mixed reviews at worst. I can see them getting good remakes in Super Mario Bros. Wonder graphics.
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Funny story, Hoops 3 on 3 was the first Mario game I owned.
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I was talking about how a 3o3 remake/remaster would be bad cause Nintendo been dropping the ball with the recent sports titles
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Hey, is this on Mario &/or Peach's profile? & if not, why not?
www.mariowiki.com
The Mystery Egg is an item in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. It is obtained from the treasure-hunting Toad in the Moleville item shop for 200 coins. It is initially useless; however, it can be "hatched" into a Lamb's Lure by using it 10 times with Toadstool while equipped with a B'tub Ring. It must be used by Toadstool only. After the tenth time, a sheep hatches from the egg and says, "You're a great shepherd!" If used by someone other than Toadstool, the item buzzes, and the use count is reset to zero.
www.mariowiki.com
Lamb's Lure is an attack item in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. This item is obtained after using the Mystery Egg ten times. When used, a sheep appears on the screen and turns an enemy into a sheep itself. Then, both sheep fly past the top of the screen. This item cannot be used on bosses or other large enemies. Any enemies defeated this way do not grant any coins or experience points. When Lamb's Lure is used forty-eight times, it becomes a Sheep Attack, accompanied with text that reads "The flock is full!"
www.mariowiki.com
Sheep Attack is an attack item in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. It is obtained by using Lamb's Lure forty-eight times. When used, a group of sheep come down from the top of the screen, then fly around the screen, turning all enemies into sheep that fly off the top of the screen. Sheep Attack does not work on bosses and other large enemies. Any enemies defeated this way do not grant any coins or experience points.
Mystery Egg (Super Mario RPG)
The Mystery Egg is an item in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. It is obtained from the Miner's Store in the Moleville item shop for 200 coins after obtaining the fifth Star Piece and defeating Speardovich. It is initially useless;...
Lamb's Lure
Lamb's Lure is an attack item in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. When used, a sheep appears near an enemy, which turns into another sheep. Then, both sheep fly past the top of the screen, accompanied by a text box saying "Baaaaaa!" Any...
Sheep Attack
Sheep Attack is an item in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. When used, a group of sheep fly around the screen, turning all enemies into sheep that fly off the top of the screen. Sheep Attack does not work on bosses and other large...
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no, but I planned to add that once I realized how much I missed on SMRPG, while reworking Geno's profile
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It's never been so over to be a mario supporter in vsbw 
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what do ya expect
rarely anybody makes upgrade threads for the Mario Bros. verse, rather opting for downgrades 'cuz why not
not to mention the amount of L's they've been taking in match-ups during recent times, is a yikes
rarely anybody makes upgrade threads for the Mario Bros. verse, rather opting for downgrades 'cuz why not
not to mention the amount of L's they've been taking in match-ups during recent times, is a yikes
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(With the Power Stars, Bowser was able to create the endless staircase in Peach's Castle that prevented Mario from traversing to the next floor, no matter how long he ran)
Where is it said or shown Bowser was using the Power Stars to do this? Afaik it's just his own magic that creates the endless staircase, especially when you take the DS version into account where even if you collected all 150 power stars Bowser still makes a spatial loop for anyone that isn't Mario. Recently got back to work on my Bowser revamp and I put spatial manipulation as one of his innate abilities instead of something via the stars so I wanted to double check.
Where is it said or shown Bowser was using the Power Stars to do this? Afaik it's just his own magic that creates the endless staircase, especially when you take the DS version into account where even if you collected all 150 power stars Bowser still makes a spatial loop for anyone that isn't Mario. Recently got back to work on my Bowser revamp and I put spatial manipulation as one of his innate abilities instead of something via the stars so I wanted to double check.
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I've also been working on Bowser's profile, since it didn't seem like you had any motivation to continue hope you don't mind that I used a bit of your sandbox for reference to make my job easier, but for the spatial loop, I don't think anything really suggests that the Power Stars were used for that unending staircase
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Yeah I tried to find anything to suggest the stars did it but yeah found nothing, think the fact that he actively uses the endless stairs on Luigi, Wario, and Yoshi in SM64DS even if every star is collected cements that it's just his own magic. And speaking of Bowser turns out the japanese version of dream team makes it way more explicit that he was gonna erase Mario and Luigi from existence with the dream stone, just waiting for the translation request thread to confirm it.
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also this tweet can never be left unmentioned
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Well, you see that's the thing: Nintendo didn't make 3-On-3 and Sports Mix - they merely published them. Square Enix were the ones that made those sports games.
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*Purity Heart is essence of love to confront chaos. And is also called the only salvation for people and Tribe of Ancients believed to defeat and banish Chaos Heart.
Would that be enough for conceptual manipulation since Love is a concept?
*The void turn sammer kingdom into realm of nothingness.
Either void manipulation or Nep type 1 i hope so...
Would that be enough for conceptual manipulation since Love is a concept?
*The void turn sammer kingdom into realm of nothingness.
Either void manipulation or Nep type 1 i hope so...
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Also. I spoke about mario kun earlier. Well. I went to my local library and got the english version along with beserk. Ready to read it later today and will post updates on it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016437383442468986/1127369447993245706/IMG_4239.jpg
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Nice. Have fun! A couple days ago I contacted Grezzo (the same company that remastered Luigi’s Mansion) about doing a Kid Icarus: Uprising remaster…
…which is totally related to Mario because Subspace Emissary exists.
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Bump.
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Other than Gex is back and a GameBoy Advance game is coming out next year (Shantae: Risky Revolution), not now.
The Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC is good though.
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Needing to finish the errands and then enjoy what I want later. Wbu?
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Watching videos of the Delphox Tera Raid for fun.
Man, I can't wait for more news on ANYTHING.
SMRPG HD, S/V DLC, IDK, LOL.
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Watching Zoom Zike's new video about Mario Party 7.
Some things on my mind as a result:
1. Cheep Cheeps have a feat via 1 of Grand Canal's Happening Spaces, where a character is launched off a tower that tilts, & 2 Cheep Cheeps, individually, in succession, squirt the character with water, launching them a great distance each time, in a pre-determined path across the board.
DK isn't playable in MP7, but Wario is, & he's known to weigh 140 kg.
I wonder if this would be a good AP or LS feat for Cheep Cheeps? LS via squirting water, lol? Might be good to get it calc'd, IDK.
2. Bowser, via standing on Pagoda Peak & jumping once -IIRC, to get in shape- during Pagoda Peak, can make the entire mountain shake. This can launch characters great distances. Notably, being at the shop gets you launched mostly horizontally to near the Start Space.
Also, Pagoda Peak's background suggests the mountain range, or what part of it they're on, is above the clouds. Of course, Bowser is doing the jump from atop the mountain, so the lower parts may not be affected.
Still, shaking that much mountain even a little, or at least, enough to launch people flying, might be notable, especially given earthquake standards.
3. I wish we had footage of all character animations using the Metal Mushroom. Would be good skill feats, although IDK we'd assume they only have that skill WITH the Metal Mushroom. (Also, MP7 Metal Mario pulls a baseball bat out of nowhere when countering a Bob-Omb Trap Orb; More Hammerspace. He can also defeat a Tweester -a living tornado- via ground pounding it. NPI? Negation of Elemental Intangibility?)
Some things on my mind as a result:
1. Cheep Cheeps have a feat via 1 of Grand Canal's Happening Spaces, where a character is launched off a tower that tilts, & 2 Cheep Cheeps, individually, in succession, squirt the character with water, launching them a great distance each time, in a pre-determined path across the board.
DK isn't playable in MP7, but Wario is, & he's known to weigh 140 kg.
I wonder if this would be a good AP or LS feat for Cheep Cheeps? LS via squirting water, lol? Might be good to get it calc'd, IDK.
2. Bowser, via standing on Pagoda Peak & jumping once -IIRC, to get in shape- during Pagoda Peak, can make the entire mountain shake. This can launch characters great distances. Notably, being at the shop gets you launched mostly horizontally to near the Start Space.
Also, Pagoda Peak's background suggests the mountain range, or what part of it they're on, is above the clouds. Of course, Bowser is doing the jump from atop the mountain, so the lower parts may not be affected.
Still, shaking that much mountain even a little, or at least, enough to launch people flying, might be notable, especially given earthquake standards.
3. I wish we had footage of all character animations using the Metal Mushroom. Would be good skill feats, although IDK we'd assume they only have that skill WITH the Metal Mushroom. (Also, MP7 Metal Mario pulls a baseball bat out of nowhere when countering a Bob-Omb Trap Orb; More Hammerspace. He can also defeat a Tweester -a living tornado- via ground pounding it. NPI? Negation of Elemental Intangibility?)
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