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I recently talked to the LMK writer in twitter regarding this and it seems he agrees most of the LMK casts are immune to time manipulation @Speedblitzer50 @RanHover60
Might be added to their profiles later
Wtf is this
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I recently talked to the LMK writer in twitter regarding this and it seems he agrees most of the LMK casts are immune to time manipulation @Speedblitzer50 @RanHover60
Might be added to their profiles later
Only the feats for the scrolls and spacetimes are equalized, not their stats. Thing is, Wukong is capable of destroying countless spacetimes while he is holding back. When he stops holding back, he is capable of one shotting characters doing such featsYoumu's Spirit Manipulation does a lot more than just chip away at someone's spirit. If I'm reading the page correctly, she can also absorb it to amp herself while weakening Wukong as the battle continues (assuming stuff is equalized?). I don't a corresponding resistance on Wukong's page (but I am blind) so, as the battle continues, Youmu would theoretically get stronger while Wukong gets weaker.
Invulnerability doesn't really matter since both of them can become invulnerable. Though that in addition to Shockwaves, forcefield, and the ability to slow down attacks after a certain vicinity, could help Youmu in avoiding attacks Goku dishes out. The cloning of his is what makes it difficult. If the battle continues, then the clones would (I think) become less effective thanks to the aforementioned spirit manip. (I also think she has a starting speed advantage considering she follows a massive scaling chain and is arguably near the top of said scaling chain, but I don't know what Wukong's looks like).
Are the ability cards restricted for Youmu? If not, then those gives her even more options to snag a victory. If they are, then it'd probably depends on a few factors.
Wukong, at least on his profile, is stated to act cocky and impulsive. I don't think he'd aim to finish the fight as soon as it starts especially since (according to what I've seen here) both parties are honorable people. I can see the fight prolonging enough for Youmu to eventually surpass Wukong. Youmu also isn't shy from bombarding others with hundreds of bullets.
Overall, I'm leaning towards Youmu so I'm voting for Youmu.Though, really, his dumb cloning is the main thing that makes me hesitant
It says it's only prohibited if there's no references. Thing is when the author said "beyond physical laws", he was only answering if the casts can escape a blackhole or no. Not only that, the writer himself said it was also to soldify their time travel abilities in season 4You know that asking for this type of direct information is prohibited on vsbattle, right?
It used to be a vsthread and then it became a discussion if it's legal to simp the touhou loli or noWhat is this thread
Only the feats for the scrolls and spacetimes are equalized, not their stats. Thing is, Wukong is capable of destroying countless spacetimes while he is holding back. When he stops holding back, he is capable of one shotting characters doing such feats
Wukong's speed is faster than characters who percieved other characters with infinite speed as frozen. Not only that, he can amplify his speed further with his nimbus cloud
Wukong was only cocky because he was highly angry, focused on one person I believe. Other than that, he should be pretty smart in fights overall
@Ruler_Star_Kuma I elaborated on the speed part in second paragraphOnly the feats for the scrolls and spacetimes are equalized, not their stats. Thing is, Wukong is capable of destroying countless spacetimes while he is holding back. When he stops holding back, he is capable of one shotting characters doing such feats
Wukong's speed is faster than characters who percieved other characters with infinite speed as frozen. Not only that, he can amplify his speed further with his nimbus cloud
Wukong was only cocky because he was highly angry, focused on one person I believe. Other than that, he should be pretty smart in fights overall
Not equalizing AP, but only feats. Pretty sure with Wukong's combative smarts, he would instantly noticed the start Youmu punched him and would focus on ranged attacks like his heat vision or staff or clone spam as he has experienced with people that can absorb souls like XiangLiu or absorb powers like Macaque and Lady Bone DemonI wasn't equalizing their stats (though didn't OP mention he was making their AP the same?), I was wondering if we were equalizing their energy systems. Since, again, in Touhou, the spirit manip also weakens the target and as Youmu absorbs spirit, she also becomes stronger. Aka, Wukong gets weaker during the fight while Youmu gets stronger.
Going off the profiles, Cirno has infinite speed and Youmu drastically upscale above her. I don't think Touhou has a scene of a character statuing another character, but Marisa is faster than Cirno, and Aya blitzes Marisa. Youmu downscales from Aya as she could briefly overwhelm her with her speed. Basically—
Aya >> [speed blitz] Marisa > Cirno = Infinite speed (with Youmu being between Aya and Marisa). That's ignoring other characters that can fill said gaps. So, I don't think Wukong is gonna be speedblitzing. Though I guess the speed, on a surface level, is fairly even.
I'm just going off the profile. You can be smart and cocky. Wukong can be smart in combat, and still falter on occasion due to his behavior. But it's listed as a weakness, so I'm taking it into account.
Again, the main advantage I see Wukong having is his cloning which, I think, shouldn't be too bad since Youmu has the range to strike multiple foes at once and maintain distance. (I'm going to assume her player system cards are restricted.)
How does her power null work again? Hm I think you could argue Wukong has power null resist via upscaling from Macaque that could steal people's powers but except him (possibly maybe)Youmu has power null and wukong doesn't resist that on his profile with that said power null being apart of the item that gives her another form of soul manip, how does that go?
Edit: Or I should ask, how does that item work in specific? If her soul absorption is a good way for her to win (and her skill comparatively to others on a chain is insane), using that in tandem or one after another could potentially be another wincon?
Not equalizing AP, but only feats. Pretty sure with Wukong's combative smarts, he would instantly noticed the start Youmu punched him and would focus on ranged attacks like his heat vision or staff or clone spam as he has experienced with people that can absorb souls like XiangLiu or absorb powers like Macaque and Lady Bone Demon
I think statued someone is higher than blitzing someone. Wukong with Nimbus Cloud > Wukong Full Power > Wukong Holding Back > MK > (statued) Peng > Mei = infinite speed
Well Wukong only gets cocky if you make him angry by targeting his close ones like his student MK
That's power absorption, not nullification.How does her power null work again? Hm I think you could argue Wukong has power null resist via upscaling from Macaque that could steal people's powers but except him (possibly maybe)
Well thing is, his own clones can create it's own clones. Pretty sure it was shown at season 1 that a mere student of Wukong who just knew how to make clones, capable of making at the same quantity of hundreds or possibly higherIf he turns it into a battle of range, then I'd lean even MORE towards Youmu. I'm pretty sure her bullets has the same effects as her physical attacks. So, all he'd be doing is pushing the fight into something more common in Gensokyo and giving space for the opponent who can fire hundreds of bullets, without including her phantom. I don't think any of his ranged attacks would be as potent as Youmu's.
Maybe? Though his chain is... pretty small, tbh. Even if statue is ranked higher, I think the size and gap created within the Touhou scaling chain would make Youmu as fast, or even faster than Wukong. Especially when you factor in her time slow field.
I'm... not understanding the correlation between those two things... if that's the case, shouldn't it be mentioned in his weakness section? (Unless I missed it as I am at work).
When Macaque absorbs someone power, it nulifies their abilties/power entirely. Even if you don't buy that, Lady Bone Demon who has power nulification, didn't used it on Wukong (possibly because he was immune, same reason why Macaque doesn't use his power steal on Wukong)That's power absorption, not nullification.
No duh for the first part because their powers are STOLEN.When Macaque absorbs someone power, it nulifies their abilties/power entirely. Even if you don't buy that, Lady Bone Demon who has power nulification, didn't used it on Wukong (possibly because he was immune, same reason why Macaque doesn't use his power steal on Wukong)
Well thing is, his own clones can create it's own clones. Pretty sure it was shown at season 1 that a mere student of Wukong who just knew how to make clones, capable of making at the same quantity of hundreds or possibly higher
Hm could you elaborate on her speed chain further then?
Might be changed later
Still close enoughMacaque doesn't have power nullification on his profile either
Wukong has Non Standard Breathing due to being able to breath in space (and resist cosmic radiation) for an extanded amount of time. Can't he just hold his breath and avoid breathing the poison?Edit: And Youmu's power null isn't power absorption (spell breaking drug) also is poison it looks like which Wukong also doesn't show to resist on his profile.
Again, the main advantage I see Wukong having is his cloning which, I think, shouldn't be too bad since Youmu has the range to strike multiple foes at once and maintain distance. (I'm going to assume her player system cards are restricted.)
That and Sun Wukong equalizes the battlefield by nuking the danmaku away plus spawning chains around her to imprison her which allows Sun Wukong to either kill or seal her
Same both on voting and wishing her profile was up to datePersonally, I think I'll stick with voting for Youmu.
God I wish her profile was more up to date.
Not only that, but can't Wukong just pull this off?Sun Wukong has more advantages than Yomu in close quarters since she's more likely to be on the defensive due to the chains spawning right next to her plus the clones can also just self destruct to give Sun Wukong even more means of aoe and fighting Yomu's aoe. The staff nuking is spammable so danmaku isn't that constant or an issue for Sun Wukong
MK, who has the same powers as Wukong, can recover his power throught sheer willpower tho. So u can argue Wukong can counter itThey both (as I see it) don't have resistance to power nullification
Again, power absorption is not power nullificationMK, who has the same powers as Wukong, can recover his power throught sheer willpower tho. So u can argue Wukong can counter it
Mind you again, NONE of that is on wukong's profileAgain, power absorption is not power nullification
Two different powers, power null and absorption have the same scan on MK's profile (which it looks to be that SAME power absorption)
How is this Power Absorption?Again, power absorption is not power nullification
Two different powers, power null and absorption have the same scan on MK's profile (which it looks to be that SAME power absorption)
"I know a way to limit your powers so you can learn to control them but...you won't be...invincible anymore"
Mind you again, NONE of that is on wukong's profile