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Sun Wukong VS Konpaku Yomu (Lego Monkie Kid VS Touhou Project) 6/7/0

Yomu's win condition here is that she can nullify his body by stealing his soul enough. She can achieves this by using her skills with danmaku and magic swordsmanship

Sun Wukong's win condition here is either killing her or sealing her. He can achieve either by using his superior lifting strength, staffplay, clones, and magic constructs. The Ruyi Jingu Bang can nullify danmaku either by blasting energy waves or physically whacking them aside by itself

And at this point I should probably cast my own vote for Sun Wukong myself after all this yapping ngl lol.

Thread starters are allowed to vote after all.
 
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Not_Icarus said:
Yomu's win condition here is that she can nullify his body by stealing his soul enough. She can achieves this by using her skills with danmaku and magic swordsmanship

Sun Wukong's win condition here is either killing her or sealing her. He can achieve either by using his superior lifting strength, clones, and magic constructs. The Ruyi Jingu Bang can nullify danmaku either by blasting energy waves or physically whacking them aside by itself

And at this point I should probably cast my own vote for Sun Wukong myself after all this yapping ngl lol.

Thread starters are allowed to vote after all.
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Well it seems that knowing who wins here is getting a bit complicated lol, at the moment wukong seems to have more of an advantage but you shouldn't underestimate Youmu either

Otherwise, Youmu's power modification serves to make wukong's attacks non-lethal
 
It's why the fight is fair enough

Either vote can work and people can just choose what they prefer lol
 
Also last I heard iirc power modification for Touhou only applies to the user's own spellcards and not others' attacks so that won't do anything as long as that's true
 
but the concept of power modification in this wiki is that it is used to alter the powers of others, so youmu can still modify wukong's attacks to make them non-lethal
 
Speedblitzer50 said:
Youmu can also block Wukong with forcefields and reflect his attacks, and she can also dodge him - she won't stand still.

She can also become invulnerable via slash of eternity
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How many Universes does Youmu scale to, bc forcefields would get overpowered if she scale lower in AP
 
Their stats are relatively even so it doesn't matter much to talk about power and speed given they're both countless hundreds

The Hulk has power modification as well, but it only works for himself.

There's no recorded case of someone modifying a spellcard or attack in Touhou midbattle as far as I know
 
Not_Icarus said:
Their stats are relatively even so it doesn't matter much to talk about power and speed given they're both countless hundreds

The Hulk has power modification as well, but it only works for himself.

There's no recorded case of someone modifying a spellcard or attack in Touhou midbattle as far as I know
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in hulk's profile it clearly says that he has self-power modification, youmu doesn't so she could still modify wukong's power
 
For more exact numbers at least around 200 but expected to be far higher for Lego Monkie Kid.

Both of them work on countless dreams cosmology with the scrolls and Doremy's dreams

For the power modification thing, it's still doubtful if it's combat applicable tbh given that even Reimu's Fantasy Nature spellcard move was only given a time limit by Marisa during outside of active battle. There has never been a case of it being used in active combat
 
We can just act like they're even by going with their higher end interpretations lol

The dreams of both the scrolls and Doremy's dreams are both considered countless

It's more interesting this way
 
Just because it has not been seen used in combat does not mean that it cannot, for example it is as if a random character can shoot fire but since he has never been seen doing it in combat as such, assume that it is not applicable to combat.

She can still do it, the only thing is that it's not something she would do right away.
 
I know but spellcard rules power modification lean more into preparatory spells rather than active combat spells given all of their portrayals in the series

Even without that, it's not in character for anyone in Touhou to use power modification midcombat against an opponent
 
Deidalius said:
If you were brave, you'd say Youmu loses because she's a female.
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If you were horny and biased, you'd agree with me.
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Not_Icarus said:
I know but spellcard rules power modification lean more into preparatory spells rather than active combat spells given all of their portrayals in the series

Even without that, it's not in character for anyone in Touhou to use power modification midcombat against an opponent
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Youmu is not following the rules in this fight, she wants to finish Sun Wukong by any means, she is not going to hold back

And again if she has to use something like the power modification she will do it, nothing stops her

The only thing is that it may not occur to her to do that right away since it is not something she usually does, especially in fights.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Wow, so he AP stomp youmu then. 😐
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ye pretty much

Speedblitzer50 said:
Youmu is not following the rules in this fight, she wants to finish Sun Wukong by any means, she is not going to hold back

And again if she has to use something like the power modification she will do it, nothing stops her

The only thing is that it may not occur to her to do that right away since it is not something she usually does, especially in fights.
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Tbh, I don't see what stops Wukong from pulling this off, expanding his staff and either seal her off or kill her
 
Youmu can also fly, and if she doesn't have time to dodge conpletely she can still block with force fields or throw danmaku at him
 
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Youmu can also fly, and if she doesn't have time to dodge conpletely she can still block with force fields or throw danmaku at him
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Forcefield is completly irrelevant against characters with higher AP, it will just break + her danmaku won't phase him
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Forcefield is completly irrelevant against characters with higher AP, it will just break + her danmaku won't phase him
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The op practically said that they both had the same AP in this battle:
Not_Icarus said:
We can just act like they're even by going with their higher end interpretations lol

The dreams of both the scrolls and Doremy's dreams are both considered countless

It's more interesting this way
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(if I'm wrong, let the op tell me)
 
Well he is invulnerable like MK so it checks out. The soul stealing still works though.
 
So the force fields are still working

And well, honestly I already gave almost all the reasons why Youmu can win, but wukong also has opportunities, so I better stop debating and prefer that others continue doing it because my head is going to explode right now lmao

According to my point of view, both can win, I keep my vote for youmu even so, just so as not to vote inconclusive lol
 
👍. The rest can just give their votes now for who they choose to win if they don't feel like making a large arguments themselves.
 
Going for the Monkey King for this one. I think he can incapacitate her with Sealing and his Clones
 
I already said that they're both relative in stats plus both have invulnerability and it comes down more to who you think has the better skills and chances of winning

But yeah vote counted

Funny enough even if power modification works. It doesn't take Sun Wukong out of the fight as making his attacks non-lethal just encourages Sun Wukong more to go for restraining and sealing faster
 
I'll say Sun Wukong as he can amplified his speed with the Nimbus Cloud, spam clones and simply outsmarting her via having 1k years of experience in combat
 
Not_Icarus said:
Their stats are relatively even so it doesn't matter much to talk about power and speed given they're both countless hundreds
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Huh... it does not work like this.

In tier 2, a single universe of difference is already treated as a one-shot gap. A dude who destroyes 3 universes will always one shot anyone who has "only" a scaling chain above 2 universes, because of the distance between universes being unknown, so the gaps can't be assumed to be reached through scalings/multipliers.

Anyway, Sun Wukong seem to have the one-shot gap here, as he scales way over 200 universes, and Youmu from only 108.

EDIT: Apparently I made a miscount. Each big dream, if you check the frames, contains 8 small ones, and there are up to 10 big dreams in total.

Aka Youmu scales to 80, not 108.
 
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I’ll play devils advocate and go for Youmu then by going off the profiles:

  • Youmu would likely start the battle by keeping her distance and spamming her danmaku which would take care of Sun’s clones and stop him from getting up close and one tapping. Her vibration manip can also stagger nearby people.
  • Sun would have trouble being able to dodge because of how cracked Touhou danmaku is.
  • Her soul manip would ignore the ap disadvantage she’s at by attacking Sun’s soul.
  • She herself is able to turn invulnerable via using slash of eternity, temporarily negating the ap gap
  • Assuming speed is unequal, then getting blitzed isn’t a problem as Youmu likely has the vastly larger scaling chain in speed considering how early on in the series the Infinite speed feats occur. Her space time manip also says it slows down time to a near stop
  • Skill is a non factor considering how relative they are due to Sun’s experience and Youmu downscaling from characters like Marisa who have cracked skill feats.
  • Youmu’s phantom half can fight on their own.
  • There’s also the fact that Youmu has empathetic manip that Sun doesn’t resist.
So basically Youmu is untouchable for Sun wukong and all her attacks likely destroy his soul I guess so Youmu fra
 
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