Strongest One Punch Man General Discussion Thread v15

[Damage3245]

What's wrong with 5 seconds exactly?

Saying "Well it seems too long" seems entirely subjective.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

What would the result be with 3 seconds?

 

[Phoenks]

In the anime wasn't the time it took like 2 or so seconds?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

The feat was changed in the anime. Instead of dispursing a cloud Gouketsu just sent a shockwave through the city.

 

[Phoenks]

Ah, but shouldn't that give a relative idea to how long it would have taken in the manga as well? Even if the feat was changed a little?

5 seconds does seem like a bit much. 1-3 seconds is fair.

 

[GyroNutz]

What's wrong with 5 seconds exactly?
Saying "Well it seems too long" seems entirely subjective.

I mean, how long it would seem to take is the only metric for that sort of feat

 

[DbzDB2]

What's wrong with 5 seconds exactly?
Saying "Well it seems too long" seems entirely subjective.

watch any cloud dispersion scene in anime. the dispersion is almost always instant, not even a couple seconds, let alone 5.

if we cant use 1 second because its subjective, than isnt it fair to say that 5 seconds is also subjective? 5 seconds is just as random as 1 if we use your logic. like, where did we even get 5 seconds from? its just a random number chosen because somebody thought "it felt right"

 

[Damage3245]

@DbzDB2; I didn't say that 5 seconds wasn't subjective. I just think it's also fine to use.

It's a bit telling that in your initial post you said, "apparently 5 seconds was used as the timeframe for the cloud dispersion, and thats what resulted in mountain level. if we used 1 second the result is island level."

That leads me to believe that the primary reason you want the timeframe to be adjusted is to make some upgrades.

 

[GyroNutz]

His motives aside, I do feel like 5 seconds is too much of a lowball. Maybe 3 seconds as a mid-ground?

 

[DbzDB2]

@DbzDB2; I didn't say that 5 seconds wasn't subjective. I just think it's also fine to use.
It's a bit telling that in your initial post you said, "apparently 5 seconds was used as the timeframe for the cloud dispersion, and thats what resulted in mountain level. if we used 1 second the result is island level."

That leads me to believe that the primary reason you want the timeframe to be adjusted is to make some upgrades.

even if i do want to change to 1 second for upgrades, that doesnt negate any of my other points. what makes 5 seconds more "correct" than 1 second?

do you even know how long 5 seconds is? count to 5 right now, without speeding up. is it really accurate to say that the cloud dispersion took that long?

if anything, gouketsu should be "at least 7-A" because he could very well be 6-C. 1 second doesn't seem any less accurate than 5

 

[Damage3245]

There is another possible method. Find the distance to the epicentre from the panel where he see the shockwave in the distance, find out how long it would take the sound of the punch to reach that distance, and that'll give you the timeframe of how long it took the clouds to move the given distance.

 

[SuperAPM]

The reason I suggest a 1 second timeframe is that the punch that caused the cloud split also caused a massive amount of debree within the immediate vicinity to be jettisoned into the air. Logically it'd take way less than 5 seconds for that to happen, yet the cloud is already shown to be split whilst all that stuff is still up in the air.

 

[USklaverei]

1 second is more than enough, Suiryu hears the sound and when he cuts the part of the cloud it has already been opened.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

3 seconds is a fair midground.

 

[Damage3245]

1 second is more than enough, Suiryu hears the sound and when he cuts the part of the cloud it has already been opened.

That doesn't make it one second.

The method I posted above would tell you the actual timeframe using that as the basis.

 

[Purgy]

Damage's proposed method does seem the most accurate, assuming it can be done.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Gouketsu is just wanked in this wiki anyway.

 

[Aernasilver]

Well, then. You're gonna be happy about this. Gouketsu's cloud calc is wrong. It uses 0.5 instead of 1/12 since it was dispersed in the center.

Using the same stuff and only changing the method according to our Cloud Calculations page.

1/12 (3.413E11)*(2232)^2 = 1.4169138e+17 = 33 Megatons (City level)

Edit: Woops forgot a step.

 

[Purgy]

That's a rip

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Well if Gouketsu isn't that much higher than the likes of Rover and EC now, is it okay for them to scale now?

 

[Aernasilver]

While we're at it Suiryu's calc has the same problem.

So a small downgrade.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Downgrades all over

 

[Tetsucabrah]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hundred-Eyes_Octopus

Well Dragons can still scale to him.

 

[Aernasilver]

Disregard the downgrades. I wrongly corrected them.

 

[Damage3245]

I'll create an updated version of the calc later today.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

The Gouketsu one?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Both hopefully

 

[Aernasilver]

So according to this I was right and those cloud feats do need a downgrade.

 

[Chaingunfighter1]

What would the new results look like, then?

 

[Damage3245]

Using the current timeframe of 5 seconds, the result would be 33 Megatons (City level).

 

[Purgy]

rip

 

[Chaingunfighter1]

Disappointing as it may be, it is more consistent with 7-B OPM Dragon-levels, and Choze/Suiryu's own downgrade would likely put them more in line with high end Demon-level threats.

Besides Geryuganshoop, the other characters that extend far above that level (Brave Giant, Phoenix Man, Metal Knight, Golden Sperm, Orochi, Psykos, Tatsumaki, Garou, Boros, Saitama) are generally exceptional circumstances and stand considerably above the bulk of the S-Class & Demon/Dragon-level caste.

Edit: Also, on an unrelated note, aren't there enough mentioned feats for Blast that he'd be Unknown, At least 7-B rather than just Unknow? Defeating Elder Centipede & the Ninja Village Leader should qualify.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

What is the Suiryu calc's new value?

 

[Aernasilver]

1.5 Megatons (Small City level).

 

[Tetsucabrah]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hundred-Eyes_Octopus

so we're going to this then

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah, Probably something like "Low 7-B (Superior to Choze and Hundred Eyes Octopus)"

 

[Tetsucabrah]

how strong was Fubuki's feat from the web comic again?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3278413

 

[Qawsedf234]

1.344 Megatons for the high end

 

[Tetsucabrah]

so lower than even Suiryu. Still good to know for future references I guess.