Small OPM calc adjustment

[MonkeyOfLife]

This is a continuation from this thread, where we figured out a way to more accurately calculate and pixel scale this calculation.

The accepted outcome of that was this Calc, so this will be added on the verse page and to it's scaling (it's a small change but what matters isn't the values but the bigger change in accuracy )

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Sure
When you really think about it, this boosts all 9-B characters that scale to this feat by about 20%
This also has nothing to do with Onepieceverse

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This also has nothing to do with Onepieceverse

.... ? What's Onepiece?

Oh the guy with the stretchy powers? Ohh yee true, he doesn't have anything to do with this thread... Idk why you brought that verse up

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

OHHH WTF why is there a one piece verse on my tags

no wonder you mentioned one piece, tought you were making some sort of joke

 

[DragoZeroNova]

OHHH WTF why is there a one piece verse on my tags

no wonder you mentioned one piece, tought you were making some sort of joke

lmao you didn't notice

 

[Kachon123]

Looks good

 

[Lilybitdun]

looks good

 

[KingTempest]

yeah that's fine

 

[KLOL506]

@Dalesean027 @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @UchihaSlayer96 @Nierre @ActuallySpaceMan42

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bro did not need to ping for such a small thread

Thank you for the ping tho makes things way easier

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

The OPM Wank never ends does it.

 

[Therefir]

Bump, this was never applied.

 

[Lilybitdun]

pinging a bunch of administrators and thread mods for a minor crt is crazy work lol

KT's vote enough for this to be applied right?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

KT's vote enough for this to be applied right?

nope

 

[KLOL506]

@Dalesean027 @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @UchihaSlayer96 @Nierre @ActuallySpaceMan42 Pls

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yeah, sure.

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Seems good.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So does the new Calc have a bigger value than this Calc? Meaning we or I need to change the justifications right?

 

[Damage3245]

So does the new Calc have a bigger value than this Calc? Meaning we or I need to change the justifications right?

What's the relation of the new calc to that?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What's the relation of the new calc to that?

what do you mean?

It's a higher value and would be the same way it's stated here on mumen riders scaling

 

[Damage3245]

what do you mean?

It's a higher value and would be the same way it's stated here on mumen riders scaling

Shouldn't that be a "Likely" rating at best since there's no direct evidence of scaling connection?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Shouldn't that be a "Likely" rating at best since there's no direct evidence of scaling connection?

I don't fully remember but did Saitama as a 12 year old or as an adult ever try to become a hero but failed perhaps? Or thought he wasn't perhaps qualified?

 

[MrTayman616]

Shouldn't that be a "Likely" rating at best since there's no direct evidence of scaling connection?

He was a human with no potential and talent before. Even a Class-C hero is way more stronger than an average person. Those bullies beat up kid Saitama easily as well, they shouldn't scale above Class-C heroes.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

It's important to keep in mind that Red Muffler, a regular Class-C Hero was rated at 100 points by Child Emperor's physical strength measuring device. In comparison, Fubuki's non-enhanced strength was 19, the average HA staff member (working adults) was 22 and Sitch (an adult male who has no known physical issues) was too weak to be properly measured. And while this device wasn't the most reliable, that was due to being unable to measure/couldn't measure those who were:
A: Too weak
B: Too strong
C: Have a non-physical source of strength (Psychics and probably stuff like Fighting Spirit)
D: Cyborgs/Robots
So, when it was properly used, the results should be acceptable to use.

While this does not guarantee Mumen Rider is super strong, apparently (and I did not know this) he fought and injured a monster in the Sonic audiobook which could tank police firearms and damage concrete with his fists at max power. Taking that into account, and the fact that a comparable Class-C hero is roughly 4.5x stronger then the average HA staff member who are already much stronger then your average citizen (apparently), you could form a scaling chain with kid Saitama, especially since he was at a similar level of strength to his bullies, who in turn were weaker then the police.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's important to keep in mind that Red Muffler, a regular Class-C Hero was rated at 100 points by Child Emperor's physical strength measuring device. In comparison, Fubuki's non-enhanced strength was 19, the average HA staff member (working adults) was 22 and Sitch (an adult male who has no known physical issues) was too weak to be properly measured. And while this device wasn't the most reliable, that was due to being unable to measure/couldn't measure those who were:
A: Too weak
B: Too strong
C: Have a non-physical source of strength (Psychics and probably stuff like Fighting Spirit)
D: Cyborgs/Robots
So, when it was properly used, the results should be acceptable to use.

While this does not guarantee Mumen Rider is super strong, apparently (and I did not know this) he fought and injured a monster in the Sonic audiobook which could tank police firearms and damage concrete with his fists at max power. Taking that into account, and the fact that a comparable Class-C hero is roughly 4.5x stronger then the average HA staff member who are already much stronger then your average citizen (apparently), you could form a scaling chain with kid Saitama, especially since he was at a similar level of strength to his bullies, who in turn were weaker then the police.

and also 12 old Saitama praised bullets and guns

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Also, I just remembered this, but you have to take a physical exam to become a Hero. Ignoring those with special abilities, those who rely purely on their physical capabilities like Mumen Rider should be considered fairly athletic in the world of OPM.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So the direct scaling was somewhere along the lines of:

12 year old Saitama < Firearms << Angry Grandpa ~ Mumen Rider < Class B

I think the thread is concluded and can be closed

 

[Therefir]

There are still some profiles linking to my outdated calc.

I just went ahead and updated the links on the missing profiles, the thread can be closed now.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

12 year old Saitama < Firearms << Angry Grandpa ~ Mumen Rider < Class B

In practice, we usually avoid putting firearms and manmade vehicles in powerscaling chains and strictly rate them based on their own calculations. Exceptions are things like magic bullets or other supernatural energy empowered ones. Or if the weapons/vehicles are made out of fictional alloys much stronger than any real world alloy. And sometimes, notable toon physics tend to exaggerate the destructive capabilities of weapons. But otherwise, ordinary bullets made of lead are just that and shouldn't be distinguished any differently than real world counterparts. Especially considering hurting Wall level and above characters is more so due hardless/penetration of the bullets and not a linear energy yield upscale.

 

[Damage3245]

and also 12 old Saitama praised bullets and guns

Also, this isn't Saitama talking in that page, is it? It looks like a TV broadcast.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

In practice, we usually avoid putting firearms and manmade vehicles in powerscaling chains and strictly rate them based on their own calculations. Exceptions are things like magic bullets or other supernatural energy empowered ones. Or if the weapons/vehicles are made out of fictional alloys much stronger than any real world alloy. And sometimes, notable toon physics tend to exaggerate the destructive capabilities of weapons. But otherwise, ordinary bullets made of lead are just that and shouldn't be distinguished any differently than real world counterparts. Especially considering hurting Wall level and above characters is more so due hardless/penetration of the bullets and not a linear energy yield upscale.

Well I was going based on one shooter being a thing and the verse already seems to have differences to how it is in real life

But otherwise we can I guess put likely ratings

Also, this isn't Saitama talking in that page, is it? It looks like a TV broadcast.

Ohh yee it is, I thought saitama was researching and talking to himself about monsters lol

I think likely ratings for now would be best then, I’ll do that later

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well I was going based on one shooter being a thing and the verse already seems to be differences to how real life functions

But otherwise we can I guess put likely also

He uses a Sniper Rifle, which are generally 9-B range anyway, so the page ratings do not contradict it. But as for the "18 points thing?" Do we know if it roughly rates based on total KE yield or just how much pressure. Because if the latter, it would still be consistent with what I said. Or is it just an unknown variable period and roughly just some kind of damage rating.

 

[Kachon123]

Saitama was a normal person of normal birth. His stats as a child should be the stats of your average kid in that world. Heroes of any class are explicitly beyond normal people hence the physical exam and the fact that they face criminals and monsters on a daily basis. Gun scaling does not work.

 

[Damage3245]

Saitama was a normal person of normal birth. His stats as a child should be the stats of your average kid in that world. Heroes of any class are explicitly beyond normal people hence the physical exam and the fact that they face criminals and monsters on a daily basis. Gun scaling does not work.

This is also a statement given by someone who doesn't actually know Saitama personally to be fair, or knew him prior to meeting him as a hero.

 

[Kachon123]

This is also a statement given by someone who doesn't actually know Saitama personally to be fair, or knew him prior to meeting him as a hero.

Sure, if you ignore author intent.

Although if that doesn't satisfy your standards, there's also the fact that it wasn't up until around day 300 of Saitama's training that he began moving in a way "like a hero should," meaning he would've been considered a normal civilian physically before then. Further supported by pre-training Saitama considering himself to be just a salaryman and not some abnormally strong person who by all means should be able to one shot most others.

 

[Damage3245]

Sure, if you ignore author intent.

Although if that doesn't satisfy your standards, there's also the fact that it wasn't up until around day 300 of Saitama's training that he began moving in a way "like a hero should," meaning he would've been considered a normal civilian physically before then. Further supported by pre-training Saitama considering himself to be just a salaryman and not some abnormally strong person who by all means should be able to one shot most others.

Well, the calculation is only for Saitama's durability IIRC; not his striking strength.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, the calculation is only for Saitama's durability IIRC; not his striking strength.

Yeah, typical comic/cartoon logic where everyone has superhuman durability.

Saitama was a normal person of normal birth. His stats as a child should be the stats of your average kid in that world. Heroes of any class are explicitly beyond normal people hence the physical exam and the fact that they face criminals and monsters on a daily basis. Gun scaling does not work.

I agree OPM is a setting where basically "Everyone is Superhuman" at least in terms of durability. And that even trained police officers let alone C class heroes are well above that. And if humans can kill each other or at least traumatically injure each other, their AP would be in that ballpark too. But even OPM is a bit inconsistent with the definition of "Ordinary/Average" human. King is another example who has statements, but even debates if he might actually be far weaker even than that, but still has enough 10-B stuff to justify rating even if mostly feel like anti-feats.

But I do question why people would even use firearms that are demonstratively just regular 9-C bullets save for penetration or authors just not acknowledging just how underwhelming bullets objectively are against superhumans. Especially when this guy uses a slingshot to launch golden pellets with far greater penetration potency than any type of firearm launched bullet.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

This is also a statement given by someone who doesn't actually know Saitama personally to be fair, or knew him prior to meeting him as a hero.

Him knowing and understanding Saitama's talent of having surpassed his limits and even having broken the limit itself makes him credible enough to be reliable, especially when he's a genius and is stating things based on facts and his own research

That's a scaling that still works as a direct scaling with the heroes and past Saitama

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So has this thread been concluded now?

if so, this thread can be closed