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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

57Dev said:
Blue Dragon Genos had to use his trump card against basically the strongest Monster in the monster association.

If he had 10 Seconds mode after the rest of the Cadre show up, he would legit be a game changer.

He could have wiped out hordes of Black S in base alone. He is quite literally the worst match up for him. I think even in base he could wipe out black S by staying midair and carpet bombing.

He could also most likely kill Homeless Emperor even without 10 seconds mode. Genos can close the distance very fast and has better aim. Just shooting one of the Orbs flying around him would kill Homeless Emperor.

He could kill Ugly and Gums by himself. Golden S and Platinum S should also get one shotted by Ten Seconds Genos although hitting Platinum S is another thing.
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For sure, 10 seconds Genos is that strong. Now that you mention it, it's interesting that ONE made Genos so strong in the first major arc of the series when he has three significant upgrades left after the MA arc. I'm just going to speculate on why he's that powerful...

ONE said that he wasn't a fan of how Psykos just ambushed Tatsumaki and took her down in a couple of pages- so we got Orochi to weaken her, which he reshaped into Psykos-Orochi so this monster could fight both Saitama and Tatsumaki without devaluing Saitama's strength too much and add a level of psychic flavor and personal conflict to Tatsumaki's fight with Orochi.

I suppose ONE wanted to have all of the s-class fight Orochi but when he got close to the Psykos-Orochi fight he decided it would be too much to have PPP and Pig God fighting against this powerhouse, so he went all in on Genos's ten seconds mode. This way he could exhaust both Tatsumaki and Genos in one single fight, incorporate the rest of the s-class against the Psykosjet, and even the odds for the cadres that way.

Depending on how much faster we say Genos is and how many bodies Black S has hidden, it's perfectly possible that 10 seconds Genos would have ended the entire Monster Association if he was able to hold 10 seconds mode until the surface fight.

Gums and Fuhrer Ugly are close enough to get hit with one-beam and would have to get close to do damage, dead.

Homeless Emperor could damage Genos and distract him with his aurora, but depending on how fast Genos is he could just bypass all that and kill him.

Evil Natural Water got dispersed by Darkshine, unless Genos was caught off guard, the puddle would be completely evaporated in this hypothetical.

In order to make 10 seconds Genos vs the cadres a fair fight, I think you legitimately need Rover, Elder Centipede, Nyan and Gouketsu to give him more targets that could draw his fire and potentially damage him.
 
Ourosboros said:
For sure, 10 seconds Genos is that strong. Now that you mention it, it's interesting that ONE made Genos so strong in the first major arc of the series when he has three significant upgrades left after the MA arc. I'm just going to speculate on why he's that powerful...

ONE said that he wasn't a fan of how Psykos just ambushed Tatsumaki and took her down in a couple of pages- so we got Orochi to weaken her, which he reshaped into Psykos-Orochi so this monster could fight both Saitama and Tatsumaki without devaluing Saitama's strength too much and add a level of psychic flavor and personal conflict to Tatsumaki's fight with Orochi.

I suppose ONE wanted to have all of the s-class fight Orochi but when he got close to the Psykos-Orochi fight he decided it would be too much to have PPP and Pig God fighting against this powerhouse, so he went all in on Genos's ten seconds mode. This way he could exhaust both Tatsumaki and Genos in one single fight, incorporate the rest of the s-class against the Psykosjet, and even the odds for the cadres that way.

Depending on how much faster we say Genos is and how many bodies Black S has hidden, it's perfectly possible that 10 seconds Genos would have ended the entire Monster Association if he was able to hold 10 seconds mode until the surface fight.

Gums and Fuhrer Ugly are close enough to get hit with one-beam and would have to get close to do damage, dead.

Homeless Emperor could damage Genos and distract him with his aurora, but depending on how fast Genos is he could just bypass all that and kill him.

Evil Natural Water got dispersed by Darkshine, unless Genos was caught off guard, the puddle would be completely evaporated in this hypothetical.

In order to make 10 seconds Genos vs the cadres a fair fight, I think you legitimately need Rover, Elder Centipede, Nyan and Gouketsu to give him more targets that could draw his fire and potentially damage him.
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I mean he is very fast, from a high place he could just lock on to everyone and shoot one beam at each one of them like a Gunship Turret.
 
57Dev said:
I mean he is very fast, from a high place he could just lock on to everyone and shoot one beam at each one of them like a Gunship Turret.
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The first issue in that situation is that he could blow up the entire z-city district if he uses that blue dragon beam or his ultra-spiral cannon lol. Not that he wouldn't try it, Genos isn't a dumb fighter like Homelander, who doesn't understand ranged combat

The other issue is that Homeless Emperor can still target him. Regular MA arc Genos isn't fast enough to dodge Black S, so he wouldn't be fast enough to dodge Homeless Emperor's aurora. The fact that he ascended the MA tower like a lightning bolt and reacted to Psykos Orochi's continent cutters makes me think he gets a speed boost with this mode. If he becomes THAT much faster he just instakills everyone unless Black S has enough bodies hidden in various spots that Genos won't be able to scan with his life sensors.
 
Ourosboros said:
True but durability wise he should be at least notably tougher than his blue dragon base state. If the fight gets copied 1 to 1 in the manga, I'm not a person who will upscale a featless character to high dragon when Genos's "scaling" already hinges on- fighting with Flashy Flash offscreen, one-shotting a wood dragon vaguely stronger than TTM with fire, and the fact he should logically be all around stronger than his MA self in base.
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ONE is probably the kind of person who would have people like Flashy Flash and Metal Bat be damaged by bullets, so durability scaling is iffy at best. Add to that the fact that being off guard seems to be a major power down in the OPM universe, to the point where Bang thought a truck could kill Saitama. I would not be surprised if holding back had a similar effect. We actually have something comparable with Genos in particular. In the amnesia episode, he went from being easily damaged by a demon to casually one shotting it the moment his memory recovered.

Besides, being featless does not really matter much here. In addition to what you already said and his death punch, consider all the other matchups in context. Blue probably had his matchup rigged. The other three were Flashy Flash with a new sword, new techniques, and more training, Tatsumaki, and Saitama of all people. Assuming all five monsters were at roughly the same level, the upper limit the Extended Family of Darkness can have is really high. Tatsumaki also specifically mentions that the monsters’ goal was to spread as much destruction as possible, so Genos completely safeguarding the city even when she could not is a real feat on its own.

I also want to mention that the Extended Family of Darkness is not entirely unscalable despite being featless. We know that the Organization can casually dispatch a group more powerful than the entire Monster Association combined, so it is not a stretch to assume the Family was a very powerful threat. We also have Genos’ statement right after the fight about how evil evolves faster than he does and how it is impossible to live in this hellhole no matter how many lives you have. That statement arguably puts the Family above most anyone Genos has faced before. It aligns with ONE’s own statement that Genos is the one you should watch out for the most among the S class because of his improvement. It also shows Genos’ deteriorating mental state, which brings up another possibility. We know that Kuseno can track Genos’ location thanks to the manga and since we now know he is the traitor, it is entirely possible that he sent a particularly powerful monster to his location.
Ourosboros said:
When was he confirmed to be some other rank?
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During the chapter where the betting site on heroes was revealed.
 
Tural2004 said:
ONE is probably the kind of person who would have people like Flashy Flash and Metal Bat be damaged by bullets, so durability scaling is iffy at best. Add to that the fact that being off guard seems to be a major power down in the OPM universe, to the point where Bang thought a truck could kill Saitama.
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Piercing damage in OPM definitely has a 1000% buff, but I think the idea that base Metal Bat could be damaged by bullets is a bit extreme. Tomboy Thrust can do what it does despite Spring Mustachio being on a level, but there's a limit to that because ONE just has a far better grasp on scaling compared to someone like Toriyama and many other mangaka. Ditto for Garou getting pierced by Royal Ripper while he was saving Tareo, and Pig God with the drone beams. I would argue that in order to face tank a piercing attack in this series, you have to be at least 2 levels above the guy with the pointy end. But there is a limit to the damage buff.

I think the Organization arc does a great job of showing how durable even weaker s-class are. I remember arguing with someone who said that TTM could die to a well-placed IRL sniper, yet when he gets hit with a barrage of drone beams big enough to level the city district he's in, he's only somewhat hurt. PPP can just hold those back with his hands also.
Tural2004 said:
I would not be surprised if holding back had a similar effect. We actually have something comparable with Genos in particular. In the amnesia episode, he went from being easily damaged by a demon to casually one shotting it the moment his memory recovered.
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I'll need to see the OVA again, I didn't remember that the Lord of the Mountain did so much damage. If we make anime-only profiles we will have to include them.
Tural2004 said:
Besides, being featless does not really matter much here. In addition to what you already said and his death punch, consider all the other matchups in context. Blue probably had his matchup rigged. The other three were Flashy Flash with a new sword, new techniques, and more training, Tatsumaki, and Saitama of all people. Assuming all five monsters were at roughly the same level, the upper limit the Extended Family of Darkness can have is really high. Tatsumaki also specifically mentions that the monsters’ goal was to spread as much destruction as possible, so Genos completely safeguarding the city even when she could not is a real feat on its own.
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We'll see if it changes, I interpreted the context very differently- yes Blue's match-up was definitely rigged. Flashy Flash's dragon also took damage from TTM, making Heavy Smoker at least somewhat relative to the Forest King (unless TTM got dramatically stronger in like 20 chapters), Machine God Mirror took 0.2%(?) damage from a hero considerably weaker than Suiryu, Aggregration is a combination of several thousand bugs at a minimum and then we have the extended family of Darkness.
Tural2004 said:
We also have Genos’ statement right after the fight about how evil evolves faster than he does and how it is impossible to live in this hellhole no matter how many lives you have. That statement arguably puts the Family above most anyone Genos has faced before. It aligns with ONE’s own statement that Genos is the one you should watch out for the most among the S class because of his improvement. It also shows Genos’ deteriorating mental state, which brings up another possibility. We know that Kuseno can track Genos’ location thanks to the webcomic and since we now know he is the traitor, it is entirely possible that he sent a particularly powerful monster to his location.
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yeah, this is where my very strong hesistancy comes in. WC Genos has a 20% chance not to beat a demon level before this, meaning post-MA WC genos would fall somewhere around Genos when he fought Sonic, G4 or during the superfight even accounting for the difference in baseline dragon level.
 
MrTayman616 said:
It was extremely unbalanced. Dr.Kuseno showed disliking from the first moment it appeared.
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I understand that but still that massive of a power increase when used at the insane speeds these characters move at, 10 seconds is a shit load of time to use it and then turn it off before he explodes, especially if he potentially fixes the overload problem.
 
Ourosboros said:
We'll see if it changes, I interpreted the context very differently- yes Blue's match-up was definitely rigged. Flashy Flash's dragon also took damage from TTM, making Heavy Smoker at least somewhat relative to the Forest King (unless TTM got dramatically stronger in like 20 chapters), Machine God Mirror took 0.2%(?) damage from a hero considerably weaker than Suiryu, Aggregration is a combination of several thousand bugs at a minimum and then we have the extended family of Darkness.
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ttm can only hurt Heavy Smoker with an attack-specific tank top so it's fair to say he's at levels close to Flashy and Mirror only took 0.4% of Suiko's damage
 
MrTayman616 said:
It was extremely unbalanced. Dr.Kuseno showed disliking from the first moment it appeared.
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yes but it doesn't make sense to take away that maximum attack power. Improve Genos' exoskeleton and his core so that he can hold out for longer and without the risk of self-destruction and increase his maximum power a little. If Genos said he had become stronger there is no reason why he wouldn't also take into consideration the version of him that fought against Psykorochi.
 
Raiden38 said:
Improve Genos' exoskeleton and his core so that he can hold out for longer and without the risk of self-destruction and increase his maximum power a little.
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Apparently, it's hard to do it. He'd do it from the very beginning if it was that easy to do, lol.
Raiden38 said:
If Genos said he had become stronger there is no reason why he wouldn't also take into consideration the version of him that fought against Psykorochi.
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The only thing this mod did is saving Tatsumaki for a while, that's all.

Other than that, it just caused trouble overall.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Apparently, it's hard to do it. He'd do it from the very beginning if it was that easy to do, lol.

The only thing this mod did is saving Tatsumaki for a while, that's all.

Other than that, it just caused trouble overall.
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drive knight was there and saw the power of the enemy and even Genos, Kuseno should have obtained important battle data too... then to do something similar at the beginning, Kuseno should have obtained the combat data that he should have currently, then Genos saves Tatsumaki and that's already a great thing since she is recognized as the secret weapon,If i remember,of the association

It doesn't make sense to make Genos weaker anyway since his goal is to become stronger and stronger. It makes more sense that Kuseno, in addition to making him more versatile, has improved him in general and that he can now better manage his full power version.
 
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Raiden38 said:
if drive knight was there and saw the power of the enemy and Genos, Kuseno should have obtained important battle data too... then to do something similar at the beginning, Kuseno should have obtained the combat data that she should have currently, then Genos saves Tatsumaki and that's already a great thing since she is recognized as the secret weapon,If i remember,of the association
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Or, they don't care about "give everything to attack power and boom". It's been stated to be extremely unbalanced, Dr.Kuseno knows it's powerful but aware of the risks. He always makes balanced upgrades to Genos, from the beginning. Tatsumaki is not a "secret weapon", but their greatest weapon. Other than her past, not much about her is a secret.

Also, why do you even assume it's something easy to do?
 
MrTayman616 said:
Or, they don't care about "give everything to attack power and boom". It's been stated to be extremely unbalanced, Dr.Kuseno knows it's powerful but aware of the risks. He always makes balanced upgrades to Genos, from the beginning. Tatsumaki is not a "secret weapon", but their greatest weapon. Other than her past, not much about her is a secret.

Also, why do you even assume it's something easy to do?
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Precisely for this reason, given that he is extremely unbalanced, having the battle data obtained from Genos should be useful enough to create a better armor for Genos that is not only more balanced but also more resistant than the previous one and stronger. I repeat, it makes no sense to make Genos weaker and take away his full power version, just try to reduce the risks of self-destruction... which for Kuseno I'm not saying it's easy but I'm not even saying it's that difficult, also because he should be superior to Bofoi in intelligence... so once he has obtained all the battle data, in my opinion he should be able to improve Genos in every way, reducing the risks of his full power version.
and then sorry when it was said that the 10 second mode was removed I didn't understand...
 
Raiden38 said:
Precisely for this reason, given that he is extremely unbalanced, having the battle data obtained from Genos should be useful enough to create a better armor for Genos that is not only more balanced but also more resistant than the previous one and stronger.
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Huh? No one claimed the reason he didn't/couldn't do it is based on lacking battle data though?
Raiden38 said:
I repeat, it makes no sense to make Genos weaker and take away his full power version, just try to reduce the risks of self-destruction...
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Genos is full of coolers, Not only the coolers or any other service isn't enough, it's not suitable with his armor integrity as well. It's COMPLETELY unbalanced. Sacrificing everything to make attack power higher.

Why expect it to be so easy like "then do it better" in verse? Every genius character in robotics would be at that level if it's that easy.
Raiden38 said:
While we don't know who the demon-level monster he faced off-screen was, it's quite likely he was caught off guard.
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Genos claims it to be a strong opponent.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Hell no. In-verse I wouldn't be surprised if Boros was stronger than everyone but Garou, Saitama and Blast.
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Blast is overrated and his scaling is based purely on headcanon. Boros by himself would probably give Blastvengers a hard time and I genuinely believe that
 
That depends. We have no idea what Murata was trying with Pyschorochi. So we can't really say that Boros is for sure stronger because this didn't exist in the Webcomic. Neither did 10 seconds Genos.

I am just going to just interpret the narrative scaling chain rather than Calcs.

The whole reason he made Orochi for the arc was to create a monster that Saitama can't beat in a punch. He was going to fill a similar role to Boros.

But then he changed his mind and Orochi got one shotted. Then we got Pyschorochi who is so strong that she thinks she can kill the guy who one shotted him.

She should know that Saitama was holding back as he basically tells Orochi it was just a normal punch.

So going off of that she is sure she is far stronger than Serious Squirt Gun and A Normal Punch.

She also has the same rating as Boros. Above Dragon.

Genos himself can destroy the meteor in one shot in 10 seconds mode. So this too puts him at the same level as a normal punch. Not just any normal punch but rather the strongest one both scaling wise and narratively.

But that's just a blast. Not his Spiral Canon. Which should be even stronger.

Now Boros's CSRC got obliterated by a serious punch shockwave. So it's far below it.

So you have Boros at far below a Serious Punch while Genos far above a normal punch and who matched someone that thinks they can beat Saitama after experiencing a serious series move and a normal punch with beams strong enough to shave of the part of earth.

I think they are in the same ball park.
 
57Dev said:
The whole reason he made Orochi for the arc was to create a monster that Saitama can't beat in a punch. He was going to fill a similar role to Boros.
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Orochi’s original role was to get jumped by Bang and the rest of the S Class, so that’s just false. No one besides Boros and Garou has made Saitama experience anything close to a real fight.
 
CSRC and Gaia Cannon is an AoE attack while Psykorochi's beams are seemingly leans on piercing attack
 
Worthless said:
Orochi’s original role was to get jumped by Bang and the rest of the S Class, so that’s just false. No one besides Boros and Garou has made Saitama experience anything close to a real fight.
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Pretty much because Orochi is a glass canon. Also Garou wasn't really a fight until God empowered him. As for Boros being almost a real fight, it's contradicted by Boros himself stating that he was never even close.
 
Let's also note that the Saitama of MA Arc is, at the very least, capable of defeating in a casual punch the Saitama of the Alien Invasion arc to the point it's not even a fight. So of course characters from MA Arc are gonna be fodder to him
 
Well, it's Boros's statement versus Saitama's statement in this aspect. Saitama never confirmed that Boros was right; he just remained silent...

Not that it matters; the version of Saitama that fought Boros is just a weaker High 6-A than Tatsumaki.
 
Now that I think about it, I realize this version of Saitama could be pitted against characters with hundreds of Petatons.
 
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