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A̶h̶ ̶y̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶q̶u̶a̶d̶r̶i̶l̶l̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶c̶ ̶G̶o̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶r̶a̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶n̶i̶m̶b̶u̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶,̶ ̶q̶u̶a̶d̶r̶i̶l̶l̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶c̶ ̶T̶r̶u̶n̶k̶s̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶p̶s̶u̶l̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶r̶p̶,̶ ̶q̶u̶a̶d̶r̶i̶l̶l̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶s̶ ̶c̶ ̶G̶o̶t̶e̶n̶k̶s̶ ̶c̶i̶r̶c̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶E̶a̶r̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶M̶H̶S̶+̶-̶r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶s̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶s̶

On a serious, I don't think OPM is ever beating DBZ/DBS in MFTL+, They need to get immeasurable/infinite
 
A̶h̶ ̶y̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶q̶u̶a̶d̶r̶i̶l̶l̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶c̶ ̶G̶o̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶r̶a̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶n̶i̶m̶b̶u̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶,̶ ̶q̶u̶a̶d̶r̶i̶l̶l̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶c̶ ̶T̶r̶u̶n̶k̶s̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶p̶s̶u̶l̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶r̶p̶,̶ ̶q̶u̶a̶d̶r̶i̶l̶l̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶s̶ ̶c̶ ̶G̶o̶t̶e̶n̶k̶s̶ ̶c̶i̶r̶c̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶E̶a̶r̶t̶h̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶M̶H̶S̶+̶-̶r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶s̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶s̶

On a serious, I don't think OPM is ever beating DBZ/DBS in MFTL+, They need to get immeasurable/infinite
I completely disagree given the timeframe and line art stuff One/Murata do.

Literally all it would take is a cosmic scale geometric line art figure with a sub millisecond timeframe and it becomes insanely FTL.
 
Why is there such a huge discrepency?
By sheer feats, Toeiverse has many anime exclusive material, such as someone being able to track Goku's MFTL+ spaceship speed but being unable to track his speed when fighting Freeza, or Goku and Pikkon literally crossing a universe in seconds (And Goku was in base)

AP also is vastly different
 
I completely disagree given the timeframe and line art stuff One/Murata do.

Literally all it would take is a cosmic scale geometric line art figure with a sub millisecond timeframe and it becomes insanely FTL.
If One/Murata was to pull something like that, you can't help but feel Garou vs Saitama was the place to do it. Depends where the next arc heads + how OP God is
 
So, I just noticed something on Metal Knight’s profile.
Small City level with Missiles (Caused Elder Centipede to scream in pain, which a Fighting Spirit-amped Metal Bat could only replicate by striking his face)
Fighting Spirit Metal Bat isn’t Small City level anymore. MK should prolly just get upgraded to City level for harming Elder Centipede.
 
MK only caused him to feel pain. There was no actual damage, and he wanted a sample of the exoskeleton because of how unscathed it was.

Something like at least Low 7-B sounds better.
 
Nvm, I read it as MK isn’t City level, not Small City level, anymore.

At most City level can work.
 
So, I just noticed something on Metal Knight’s profile.

Fighting Spirit Metal Bat isn’t Small City level anymore. MK should prolly just get upgraded to City level for harming Elder Centipede.
Metal Bat is Low 7-B at that point, he fought Hero Hunter Garou on equal terms. The fighting spirit isn't really locked on 6-A, so Metal Knight upscaling from Metal Bat at that point doesn't seem wrong to me
 
Metal Bat is Low 7-B at that point, he fought Hero Hunter Garou on equal terms. The fighting spirit isn't really locked on 6-A, so Metal Knight upscaling from Metal Bat at that point doesn't seem wrong to me
Metal Bat hadn’t even fought Garou at that point iirc, and we don’t list Low 7-B on his profile anymore, so scaling Metal Knight based on that would be weird.
 
a good debunk, is when you make an explanation of how that is not so.
you hate people who just say:
wanking
and they never explain why
 
MK only caused him to feel pain. There was no actual damage, and he wanted a sample of the exoskeleton because of how unscathed it was.

Something like at least Low 7-B sounds better.
A centipede can't bleed unless you cut through its exoskeloten, and it can't bruise, so it screaming in pain qualifies for scailing. Especially seeing as screaming in pain has always been a valid reason to scale. Since you know, forever.
 
after giving a good look through the verse, I've concluded that cosmic garou is nearly incapable of having any kind of coherent match with a jojo character
first of all he speed blitzes basically the entire verse, and things that wouldn't get speed blitz include GER (unfair) and made in heaven which is just an incon mismatch
although potentially chariot requiem would be able to regen from an attack and make garou not 1 shot him cause of soul hax, it's really passive as hell and doesn't actually have any in character means of winning a fight with him, especially if garou has a bs thought process and figures out the weak spot or whatever
unless he gets swapped with a flea, in which case small lifespan stomps him and it's gg
vanilla ice was my next idea but one shot + speed blitz, and the moment that sphere touches garou he'd easily just be able to get out of the way since he'd probably just process the fact that he was touched at mftl+ speed
for the most part top tiers are just unfair as well
wonder of U stomps him, ger stomps him, he stomps dio but get stomped by heaven ascension dio.

So maybe a Garou vs D4C love train thread could be made, doubt it'd be very interesting tho
conclusion: don't make garou matches against a jojo character
 
after giving a good look through the verse, I've concluded that cosmic garou is nearly incapable of having any kind of coherent match with a jojo character
first of all he speed blitzes basically the entire verse, and things that wouldn't get speed blitz include GER (unfair) and made in heaven which is just an incon mismatch
although potentially chariot requiem would be able to regen from an attack and make garou not 1 shot him cause of soul hax, it's really passive as hell and doesn't actually have any in character means of winning a fight with him, especially if garou has a bs thought process and figures out the weak spot or whatever
unless he gets swapped with a flea, in which case small lifespan stomps him and it's gg
vanilla ice was my next idea but one shot + speed blitz, and the moment that sphere touches garou he'd easily just be able to get out of the way since he'd probably just process the fact that he was touched at mftl+ speed
for the most part top tiers are just unfair as well
wonder of U stomps him, ger stomps him, he stomps dio but get stomped by heaven ascension dio.

So maybe a Garou vs D4C love train thread could be made, doubt it'd be very interesting tho
conclusion: don't make garou matches against a jojo character
Most people can't have coherent matches with JoJo characters. When most of the verse has invisible powers, and also generally weird to use combat powers, you get that
 
Wont wonder of u stop aggroing him once Tooru dies of radiation? (Assuming it will affect stone boy physiology)
 
Most people can't have coherent matches with JoJo characters. When most of the verse has invisible powers, and also generally weird to use combat powers, you get that
the best jojo matches are joseph ones, since you can give 1 in a million chance win conditions for him and it'll never be a stomp but he'll always win cause he's just the smartest man alive
there's a reason his victory list is so long
Wont wonder of u stop aggroing him once Tooru dies of radiation? (Assuming it will affect stone boy physiology)
on second thought yeah cause of regen he'd proably not really care about calamity and would just passively kill, or incon forever
 
A centipede can't bleed unless you cut through its exoskeloten, and it can't bruise, so it screaming in pain qualifies for scailing. Especially seeing as screaming in pain has always been a valid reason to scale. Since you know, forever.
I don’t see why that’d mean it qualifies for scaling. All you’re showing is that he has no way of damaging the carapace, which Metal Knight states here. It’s pretty blatant.

We don’t always 1:1 scale characters just for causing pain (especially if it’s a relatively small surface area), and often downscale characters just for doing light damage. Hence why MK was never directly scaled to EC in the first place.

At most is perfectly reasonable, unless MB is City level.
 
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why everyone here hate the chapters?
I don't hate the chapters, I'm just a bit disappointed in how they all went. This Garou vs Saitama fight really felt like style over substance at the expense of how I saw the series up till now. Great visuals and all, but the writing really feels like it jumped the shark. I think a lot of it really has to do with Saitama more than anyone else for me. Past that, and the original end to the fight for me was just a lot more in line with how I view the series and the original webcomic.

With Saitama pretty easily taking down Garou, with some insane but overall not too crazy visuals, and then engaging with him like he's still human, even in his monster state.
 
the best jojo matches are joseph ones, since you can give 1 in a million chance win conditions for him and it'll never be a stomp but he'll always win cause he's just the smartest man alive
there's a reason his victory list is so long
Gonna be honest, that exact mentality is why I don't like Joseph battles. He has a bit of the batman effect for me
 
Gonna be honest, that exact mentality is why I don't like Joseph battles. He has a bit of the batman effect for me
it's the funniest shit of all time
Joseph formulates a plan to defeat every tier 0 because he's a god damn genius, and if it doesn't work he just gets lucky
 
I don’t see why that’d mean it qualifies for scaling. All you’re showing is that he has no way of damaging the carapace, which Metal Knight states here. It’s pretty blatant.
But he caused him pain. Do you think that every single time someone gets punched they bleed or bruise? No. It's common, but not a guarantee.
We don’t always 1:1 scale characters just for causing pain (especially if it’s a relatively small surface area)
I don't think MK = EC. But he only downscales a little bit.
At most is perfectly reasonable, unless MB is City level.
At most City Level is what I was arguing for, or are you saying at most small city level?
 
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