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Send scan when he said in one shot then.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Why he's gonna say something it take him a long ass time to do
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Dude can punch at FTL speeds. It shouldn't take him that long lol.
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Kinda funny considering Saitama is getting that Moon level upgrade soon. Have you made that edit yet?
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It is downplay, but I don't think we're ready for that discussion.... unless?
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But then other series' with characters implying they are capable of destroying the earth don't even second guess when giving them "likely 5-B" ratings
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I thought you meant OPM characters.
Vegeta is objectively superior to characters that could destroy the moon with power levels under 300, and it's repeatedly confirmed by reliable sources/the scale of the series.
You're talking about 2 statements at most (one of which is completely unreliable by Murata's own admission), and feats by himself/Boros.
Vegeta is objectively superior to characters that could destroy the moon with power levels under 300, and it's repeatedly confirmed by reliable sources/the scale of the series.
You're talking about 2 statements at most (one of which is completely unreliable by Murata's own admission), and feats by himself/Boros.
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Saitama is vastly superior to High 6-A character, and easily delivered a 5-C blow.
Giving him 5-B when he implies he is 5-B makes sense. Especially when Murata says he can.
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6-A evil water when
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Y’all genuinely cannot be confused on why the CRT got closed when the OP had a single scan and that’s it.
Like, it didn’t even have the Murata statement as support, y’all want upgrades so badly and then drop the ball that badly kek
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Why not?
His own feats he's vastly above. He's not far enough for it to be a big stretch.
When? AFAIK, he said he's not 100% reliable. We've already had a CRT to take Murata's statements case-by-case.
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We're not.
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I just explained.
It is a big stretch of thousands of times. Dragon Ball has actual guide statements (not mistranslations or anime-only versions), power levels, multipliers, and scores of characters who have scaling chains above each other.
This whole statement is basically just his opinion.
- A: I guess he can if he wanted to, but I don't think he will do it.
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“Idk I guess”
Super reliable
Super reliable
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The second half is his own opinion.
Murata said that Saitama can destroy the Earth, but he just doesn't think it's in his character to do so.
So we have Saitama being >>>> High 6-A on two occasions, and being >>>> 5-C on another, then we have him implying he can destroy the Earth, then we have Murata saying he can as well. How the hell is that not enough?
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You're literally changing the intent of his answer.
It's no different if someone asked if Saitama could blow up a city.
He could if he wanted to, but he wouldn't do it because of his character.
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He says 'I', so this is his opinion.
Also, why would that mean only the second half is just his opinion?
So we have him being vaguely superior to two feats thousands of times lower than 5-B, one statement that can just as easily be High 6-A, and Murata's opinion.
How the hell is that enough?
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Murata's statement that is backed up by Saitama himself.
he is likely far higher already. Why are you going through all these lengths and mental gymnastics to say he's very far away when he's not?
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It's enough because he is already likely far higher. Saitama is not even broken a sweat preforming these feats. He does them casually, and finishes off High 6-A characters off in an instant literally. I don't understand how you can even believe this seriously.
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We can't even use Murata's opinions to begin with. So it's not back up.
Blowing up the Earth is way different from just threatening to destroy it in a vague way.
I'm not going through any mental gymnastics.
Mental gymnastics is thinking two completely unreliable statements and a gap of thousands of times from some of the strongest beings in the series is more than enough.
Likely far higher is a meaningless metric for just being vaguely above something to a high extent. None of this is based on any potential 5-B feats.
How can you even take Saitama's word at face value in this case, or simply assume that he's referring to a single punch? Why do we have any reason to believe someone who got 21 points out of 50 on his hero intelligence exam knows how much power is needed to destroy the Earth when he hasn't even come close to that level of destruction?
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I'm pretty sure Vegeta's case is a complete different story, he stated he would blow up the Planet, yes, but there is far more to it
Similar power level characters also have feats or statements about destroying Planets, Saitama lacks this. The guide also confirms Vegeta's claim, Saitama also doesn't have this
A better example I believe is Bayonetta and Ifrit from FFXV
The first had Angels (?) being stated to he able to destroy the world, they are High 6-A. Ifrit has the statement of "reducing the Earth to ashes", the feat is listed as High 6-A aswell
It is possible to get a Possibly or Likely 5-B from this I guess (Saitama would be "At least 5-C, possibly 5-B"), but that's pretty much it, his current casual 5-C status does help a lot
Similar power level characters also have feats or statements about destroying Planets, Saitama lacks this. The guide also confirms Vegeta's claim, Saitama also doesn't have this
A better example I believe is Bayonetta and Ifrit from FFXV
The first had Angels (?) being stated to he able to destroy the world, they are High 6-A. Ifrit has the statement of "reducing the Earth to ashes", the feat is listed as High 6-A aswell
It is possible to get a Possibly or Likely 5-B from this I guess (Saitama would be "At least 5-C, possibly 5-B"), but that's pretty much it, his current casual 5-C status does help a lot
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Murata get's some of the things he says from ONE. We have no way of knowing if ONE told him specifically, so that's why we take it case by case.
Murata's opinion? How was it his opinion? He said that Saitama could, but he wouldn't bc its not his character. You're acting like he said, "In my opinion he could, but I'm not reliable, so don't trust me"
We can take Saitama's word because of his prior feats, and Murata. Many other series' do it, and so should we.
ByAsura, I'm going to stop debating this on this thread because this isn't getting anywhere. I'm just going to wait until a real CRT is made. If you want to keep downplaying the verse, despite the clear sources backing it up, then go ahead.
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No one was arguing that Saitama should have a solid rating. I'm arguing for a possible/likely. If I was arguing for a solid rating, ByAsura's arguments would be completely valid.
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We take it case-by-case, yes, and case-by-case suggests he didn't get this from ONE.
Again, the opening of the statement alone suggest it's opinion, and the entire second half is his opinion. You're acting like he said "oh yeah, ONE believes he can destroy the Earth because of this statement from 5 years into the future, but I don't personally think he'd do it."
Murata isn't reliable in this instance.
Prior feats that are, again, not on this level by a massive degree (especially the High 6-A feat he performed against Boros). Your reasoning is ridiculously circular.
Like what? Dragon Ball? Even the Final Fantasy statement has more backing going by the word choice "His flames are powerful enough to possibly turn the world to ashes", and yet even that's merely a possibly rating.
These sources aren't clear. They're incredibly murky.
At best, you are just being extremely biased.
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Saying "I guess," in this context is not him literally guessing. This is the same as Murata saying, "He could in theory, but he wouldn't because he has no reason to"
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Fairy Tail. Phoenix in Fairy Tail was stated to be able to destroy the world, and it makes sense because characters it should be superior to, were already High 6-A.
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The statements also have a way different context, such as remotely knowledgeable people in-universe are making the claim multiple times, the plot, and Fairy Tail has 5-A feats that these characters scale to through Laxus.
Before the very recent upgrades, it was Small Country level.
Quoting this page.
- The 5-B's like X793 Post-Elentear Base Natsu are scaled to be around 1/4 as strong as Selene's Calc (675 Zettatons)
- The lowest 5-B+'s like X793 Base Laxus and X793 Strongest Armors Erza are backscaled lower than Selene's Calc (1.38 Yottatons)
- The lower middle 5-A's like Limit Break Lucy, Limit Break Gray, Limit Break Erza, Limit Break Wendy, and Half Power Dragon Form Mercphobia are scaled to be 2x stronger than the lowest 5-B+'s (2.76 Yottatons)
- The central middle 5-A's like X792 Fire Dragon King Mode Igneel's Power Natsu and X792 Fire Dragon King Mode Dragon Force Natsu are scaled to be 4x stronger than the lowest 5-B+'s (5.52 Yottatons)
I didn't say he was actually guessing, it's just that the definition is used when you are saying something that you think is probably true or correct.
It's more like 'I think he could in theory, but it's not something he'd do in my opinion.'
There's also the fact that it's so out of character that Saitama's statement is obvious hyperbole.
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Which is what it makes sense for him to be saying? Murata basically said that Saitama could, but wouldn't because it's not in character.
Also, how isn't this enough for a likely/possible rating?
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He didn't basically say that Saitama could. Murata just said his belief on the matter, so it's not reliable.
Because it's an opinion, a vague/likely hyperbole (one that's probably just adapted from the webcomic panel), and feats that don't support these ratings.
We need more evidence than this.
Because it's an opinion, a vague/likely hyperbole (one that's probably just adapted from the webcomic panel), and feats that don't support these ratings.
We need more evidence than this.
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I'll just agree to disagree and wait for a CRT to pop up
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