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That wouldn’t really work. If you’re producing light behind you as a trail, it can’t catch up.

I might try my hand at the feat since I’ve finished some big calcs I planned for other verses.

@Cheat Then you are a king of cowards and sit on a throne of lies.
 
I don't know, there are still some ways to get better results. I think we should see it this way: Light was unable to keep up with the trio in the sense that when they moved from a certain point the light was left behind and was visible by the people. They kept leaving trails behind them and by the time they were in a certain position, light still hadn't caught up.
Although I believe this can only be done with a time frame which we might get with the anime in a decade or so.
 
@Mag It’s following their movements exactly, so probably not. Like I said, they’re not outrunning it, it’s just emanating from them.

Edit: Should mention here that light doesn’t have relative velocity. Whether you’re on an FTL train (provided it’s not something like warp that redefines speed) or standing still, light will move just as fast.
 
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OK, hear me out. I have no problem with them being Relativistic in travel speed. But what about the combat speed? Shouldn't that be far higher? Like each clash creates one line but in each of those clashes, they throw at least a few hundred punches or so.
 
Bad

This alone kills my braincells
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You know,3,14 exist
463-full.png
 
Bad

This alone kills my braincells
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You know,3,14 exist
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...?
 
@Mag It’s following their movements exactly, so probably not. Like I said, they’re not outrunning it, it’s just emanating from them.

Edit: Should mention here that light doesn’t have relative velocity. Whether you’re on an FTL train (provided it’s not something like warp that redefines speed) or standing still, light will move just as fast.
So then what would that result in, light manipulation? Because it’s not a special effect since people in verse are seeing this form basically instantly. Cuz it’s gotta be a representation of there speed according to murata, whether that’s LS or FTL, whether muratas logic is that light can be emitted from such speeds or they can create manipulate light.
 
That’s your interpretation of his logic. Another interpretation could just be that they’re moving at or below the speed of light and leaving bright trails, which don’t seem to fade and normal humans can actively perceive.
 
I appreciate FF's confidence he's been showing, even right before starting the fight with Garou and PS, is actually warranted, and he's not just another overconfident asshole who gets fodderized the second top villains start doing things
 
If you’re looking at raw speed without extra powers (also machinery like Genos and MK), Garou left a trail when he ripped off Blue Fire’s arm. That’s not even including the WSRF.

Sonic also left plenty in his first appearance.
 
Should we merge Garou’s Half-Monster and Pre-Awakening keys? Platinum Sperm still referred to him as a half-monster.
 
WC stuff:

Now, that plot about Ninja Leader being able to fight Blast makes far more sense, if he can handle FF "like an infant", then that man must be completely freaking broken

Ngl, seeing some reddit comments, some people are actually surprised and even going against these FF feats, and yeah seeing him fighting a Garou that is FAR stronger than the one that floored Darkshine without his sword is...far more than I expected, it kinda removes him from a "speedster" and leaves him Above Dragon in every field, he can even clash with Platinum physically (LS)
 
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