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[ReusedOil]

No, Blast would actually need a downgrade for me, his hax is 4D and that's what permitted him to temporarly block the Serious Punch², but would be only at the level of a "normal" Saitama as what Garou fought him with was the strength of Saitama's normale punches

Where did you get the idea that garou only copied attacks at that point??? Did the "MODE: SAITAMA" not clue you in? The story literally shows that the only reason why garou lived through the exponential growths, is because he copied each growth.

Where does it say he survived because he ONLY copied the attacks???

are you seriously saying that garou can only copy the power behind the attacks to increase his durability, strength and speed, but not the full power of the person?

 

[Worthless]

Yes, that's what happens, that's what the manga shows

Those feats are not physically possible. The fact that he’s able to survive in space alone already suggests that the strength he possesses is simply not normal physical, as it’s something you can’t achieve by just being strong (ehem Goku and a number of characters who are physically stronger than him). ONE is most likely aware of this as well. My headcanon is that the limiter is actually a law that not only prevents people from reaching a level of strength without limits, but also a law that limits what they can do. By completely breaking that you could even do things like "touching things that don’t physically exist" and so on.

 

[Entity]

Where did you get the idea that garou only copied attacks at that point??? Did the "MODE: SAITAMA" not clue you in? The story literally shows that the only reason why garou lived through the exponential growths, is because he copied each growth.

Where does it say he survived because he ONLY copied the attacks???

Yes, he copies what the enemy shows him, he copied the level of strength Saitama showed him, that's why when he clashes with Saitama he shows a power equal to his normal punches, he copies the strength of a Serious Punch only when Saitama uses it on him

 

[Entity]

Those feats are not physically possible. The fact that he’s able to survive in space alone already suggests that the strength he possesses is simply not normal physical, as it’s something you can’t achieve by just being strong (ehem Goku and a number of characters who are physically stronger than him). ONE is most likely aware of this as well. My headcanon is that the limiter is actually a law that not only prevents people from reaching a level of strength without limits, but also a law that limits what they can do. By completely breaking that you could even do things like "touching things that don’t physically exist" and so on.

Obviously some of the things he does, like breathing a poisonous atmosphere or resisting incredible temperature cannot realistically be explained by just strength, but it is also how authors show someone with an enormous level of power in a funny way too, the common "he is so strong that just can", but yes, by breaking the limiter you could just defie everything and do anything, that's possible too. But one doesn't exclude the other one

 

[Alexander]

The Ctr is gonna be worse than this, i am calling it

 

[Entity]

The Ctr is gonna be worse than this, i am calling it

I bet that in the crt the only possible upgrade will be to Saitama's non-physical interaction and his speed will remain ftl+

 

[ReusedOil]

Yes, he copies what the enemy shows him, he copied the level of strength Saitama showed him, that's why when he clashes with Saitama he shows a power equal to his normal punches, he copies the strength of a Serious Punch only when Saitama uses it on him

ah i get it. Still does nothing about my original point. Normal punch strength is the one garou originally copied and that blast fought yes? Normal punch that should be higher strength wise to "knocking into a spiritual dimension", moreso because saitama only grows stronger everyday and its been a long time since.

Your scaling still argues that blast has damned infinite everything.

This includes both ff and sonic for not being statues for void who somewhat equals blast. Cause thats what infinite entails for everyone else not at that level. Sonic and ff should not be moving.

Do you understand how many contradictions pops up from your interpretations?

 

[ShionAH]

In Boros battle Saitama could not breath in space, yet he does it against Garuo

Reactive Evo?

 

[Ourosboros]

In Boros battle Saitama could not breath in space, yet he does it against Garuo

Reactive Evo?

How do you know Saitama couldn't breathe in space during the Boros fight and he just didn't know all the quirks of his physiology at that point? Because that's what I would assume.

Saitama could have just so bloodlusted on IO that he didn't stop to think about how he was breathing and threw himself into the fight

I see no surefire way to say that Saitama had spent any prolonged time in space before Boros sent him to the moon and would know he had that kind of self-sustenance

 

[Entity]

ah i get it. Still does nothing about my original point. Normal punch strength is the one garou originally copied and that blast fought yes? Normal punch that should be higher strength wise to "knocking into a spiritual dimension", moreso because saitama only grows stronger everyday and its been a long time since.

Your scaling still argues that blast has damned infinite everything.

This includes both ff and sonic for not being statues for void who somewhat equals blast. Cause thats what infinite entails for everyone else not at that level. Sonic and ff should not be moving

Saitama uses different levels of strength obviously, the strength of his serious punch against Elder Centipede obviously differs from the strength he used against Boros and so does the strength he used to break into Phoenix's dimension and grab a 4D sword or pull its user from an higher dimension he was in from the strength he used against Garou

Nope and I never spoke about their speed

 

[ShionAH]

How do you know Saitama couldn't breathe in space during the Boros fight and he just didn't know all the quirks of his physiology at that point? Because that's what I would assume.

How do you know that Saitama was doing it without a purpose?

 

[ReusedOil]

Saitama uses different levels of strength obviously, the strength of his serious punch against Elder Centipede obviously differs from the strength he used against Boros and so does the strength he used to break into Phoenix's dimension and grab a 4D sword or pull its user from an higher dimension he was in from the strength he used against Garou

Nope and I never spoke about their speed

wait so youre arguing that a weaker version of saitama "knocking" is a stronger action than a unspecified amount stronger saitama who is in a middle of a fight with lives at stake, specifically exerting himself to attack? Even all those examples of yours is him using different levels of strength when PUNCHING. How does it prove that you can compare knocking with punching??? Like bruh infinite level knocking but planet level (and infinitely less) punches? Tell me with a straight face thats what ONE and murata intended.

You are arguing that saitama is spending an infinite amount more effort to knocking than punching here. The point isn't "he can exert more effort on one action than another" but the absurdity of spending infinite effort on an action so many times easier to do

also you dont need to speak about their speed when thats what your logic implies.

 

[Alexander]

How do you know that Saitama was doing it without a purpose?

Got bored with Hazbin Hotel?

 

[Ourosboros]

How do you know that Saitama was doing it without a purpose?

By it, do you mean 'holding his breath'?

Two ways to look at it...

OPTION A, Saitama doesn't know all that his body can do. He doesn't understand what dimension slash is and probably hasn't caught onto the implications of entering the Phoenix Space, if you asked him why he can interact with transdimensional entities he would most likely answer "I dunno" (in both scenes he's stated he's unsure what's happening) and might not even care.

If this is true, Saitama would logically have assumed he can't breathe in space unless proven otherwise so his own statements are untrustworthy. Saitama lives a normal life, we haven't seen any proof that he's tried to go without eating, sleeping or tried to rebuild his lifestyle around the abilities he knows he has. Given that pattern I think OPTION A makes sense. Plus Saitama should be experiencing the negative effects of the vaccuum because he waits a few breaths to plug his nose, and we don't see that.

OPTION B, Saitama has reactive evolution. In this case he should develop vacuum self-sustenance during the Boros arc like he would hypothetically have done on IO. With OPTION B we have no way to determine if his self-sustenance is a separate ability or the byproduct of reactive evolution because the origins of the ability aren't explicitly shown or explained.

There's no evidence for OPTION B, but there is for OPTION A

 

[Entity]

wait so youre arguing that a weaker version of saitama "knocking" is a stronger action than a unspecified amount stronger saitama who is in a middle of a fight with lives at stake, specifically exerting himself to attack? Even all those examples of yours is him using different levels of strength when PUNCHING. How does it prove that you can compare knocking with punching??? Like bruh infinite level knocking but planet level (and infinitely less) punches? Tell me with a straight face thats what ONE and murata intended.

also you dont need to speak about their speed when thats what your logic implies.

The knocking part of that is obviously a gag, like many others are gag (the sneeze, the fart, the serious squirt, ecc...) but yes, there he used more strength than he did when he punches Garou with his normal punches, he exerts himself to attack but he knows he needs to use a very small part of his strength since he doesn't want to kill Garou. What One e Murata intended is that knocking a hole in a dimension is a gag that shows how ridicolously strong is Saitama

For their speed I would say that both Void and Blast are incredibly faster than FF and Sonic and see them as statues when they fight seriously, FF and Sonic attacks Void only when he is immobile in a positione, like when he had Blast impaled with his sword or when he was restricted on the ground

 

[ShionAH]

Are you forgetting he copied Matter and Time Manipulation? Like if he can do that I dont see why he cannot evolve to be able to breath in space.

Plus Saitama always looks for possible weakness or limitations to his powers, trying to see if space can kill him would be in character imo

 

[Alexander]

Are you forgetting he copied Matter and Time Manipulation? Like if he can do that I dont see why he cannot evolve to be able to breath in space.

Plus Saitama always looks for possible weakness or limitations to his powers, trying to see if space can kill him would be in character imo

That is different, because he had to conciously learn that.
Also when has Saitama shows that he tries to exploit weakness in his powers?

 

[ShionAH]

That is different, because he had to conciously learn that.

its still re

Also when has Saitama shows that he tries to exploit weakness in his powers?

He consistently lets monsters hit him to see if they can hurt him

 

[ReusedOil]

The knocking part of that is obviously a gag, like many others are gag (the sneeze, the fart, the serious squirt, ecc...) but yes, there he used more strength than he did when he punches Garou with his normal punches, he exerts himself to attack but he knows he needs to use a very small part of his strength since he doesn't want to kill Garou. What One e Murata intended is that knocking a hole in a dimension is a gag that shows how ridicolously strong is Saitama

For their speed I would say that both Void and Blast are incredibly faster than FF and Sonic and see them as statues when they fight seriously, FF and Sonic attacks Void only when he is immobile in a positione, like when he had Blast impaled with his sword or when he was restricted on the ground

Why the tangent on gags when we are quantifying the feats itself? You cant claim its a gag saying that every other detail sorounding it is irrelevant, then go ahead and say that the ONLY relevant detail is one that justifies your point. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Hopefully not intentionally disingenuous.

The idea that saitama is exerting an infinite amount of effort the authors portrayed as an effortless action, more than an action the authors portrayed as more strenous...

uh yeah no I'll stop this right here. Im done. Try to convince someone else

 

[Ourosboros]

Are you forgetting he copied Matter and Time Manipulation? Like if he can do that I dont see why he cannot evolve to be able to breath in space.

No, I just don't see how these are relevant to the example you gave that assumes he could not breath in space during the Boros arc.

Also, by this logic he could also develop telekinesis and mind control given how trivial those powers comparatively are

Plus Saitama always looks for possible weakness or limitations to his powers...

Does he do this?? I legitimately cannot recall a single instance of him going around systematically testing his resistance to abilities and/or environmental consistencies, just him seeking out strong opponents and learning about his abilities by circumstance

 

[Entity]

Why the tangent on gags when we are quantifying the feats itself? You cant claim its a gag saying that every other detail sorounding it is irrelevant, then go ahead and say that the ONLY relevant detail is one that justifies your point. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Weirdly disingenuous.

The idea that saitama is exerting an infinite amount of effort the authors portrayed as an effortless action, more than an action the authors portrayed as more strenous...

uh yeah no I'll stop this right here. Im done. Try to convince someone else

Fine

 

[Epiccheev]

Are you forgetting he copied Matter and Time Manipulation? Like if he can do that I dont see why he cannot evolve to be able to breath in space.

Plus Saitama always looks for possible weakness or limitations to his powers, trying to see if space can kill him would be in character imo

Mahoragama?

 

[Alexander]

its still re

He consistently lets monsters hit him to see if they can hurt him

1.no, that is mimicry
2. How?

 

[ShionAH]

No, I just don't see how these are relevant to the example you gave that assumes he could not breath in space during the Boros arc.

You are assuming he can breath in space without proof, I am saying he cannot since he was HOLDING HIS BREATH. Before Garuo battle everyone used this scene to assume Saitama lacked that ability, further proving it

Burden of proof is on you bucko

Also, by this logic he could also develop telekinesis and mind control given how trivial those powers comparatively are

He doesnt need to, so why would he lol. He did need to develop this though.

 

[ReusedOil]

The idea that saitama is exerting an infinite amount of effort the authors portrayed as an effortless action, more than an action the authors portrayed as more strenous...

Cant get how much the idea contradicts itself outa my head.

Cause when i said more strenous, the one im talking about the author portrayed is saitama's first serious punch he threw at garou. A serious punch that has always been portrayed as a significant action. A serious punch from bloodlusted saitama, fresh off seeing his friend die and acting out of emotion, acts. An action that bro is implying to have infinitely less effort???

and if the serious punch is argued to be infinite level, the punch itself is squared. An infinite squared punch that apparently blast is powerful enough to contain???

theres a reason why the only way it could be explained away is to say "its just a gag"

Fyi, not continuing the discussion but just airing out my thoughts

 

[ReusedOil]

Mods can we thirty-two layer EE this guy?

How many mods are there? Yall ganging up on me?

I cant take all of you. Thats too many, guys

 

[Worthless]

Obviously some of the things he does, like breathing a poisonous atmosphere or resisting incredible temperature cannot realistically be explained by just strength, but it is also how authors show someone with an enormous level of power in a funny way too, the common "he is so strong that just can", but yes, by breaking the limiter you could just defie everything and do anything, that's possible too. But one doesn't exclude the other one

Nah cus if that's true Garou wouldn't be surprised

 

[Ourosboros]

You are assuming he can breath in space without proof, I am saying he cannot since he was HOLDING HIS BREATH. Before Garuo battle everyone used this scene to assume Saitama lacked that ability, further proving it

Burden of proof is on you bucko

I've given you several logical proofs as to why I believe he can breath in space, so I disagree with you saying "without proof".

But it's easy enough to test your assumption by the numbers so we can add on a little. Humans passively breathe every 5 to 3.3 seconds/12 to 18 times per minute. Looking at the anime, Saitama lands on the moon at 0:55, the video ends at 1:03 and then a 3-4 second shot of Saitama looking around with an open mouth. In total, 11-12 of the 15 seconds it normally takes the lungs to completely empty of oxygen before the body starts to shut down in space. Saitama, if he could not breathe in normal space for standard human biology reasons, would have instinctively tried to hold his breath far sooner thanks to the mammalian diving reflex which triggers in low oxygen, extremely cold environments.

The fact that Saitama breathes out about 66-80% of the oxygen in his lungs before deciding to pinch his nose only after internally processing he's on the moon implies that he does not need to breath in space the way normal humans do during the Boros arc.

 

[Entity]

Nah cus if that's true Garou wouldn't be surprised

Garou doesn't have knowledge of what Saitama can do with his strength or what he could possibly do with his own strength, so he would still be surprised

 

[Entity]

and if the serious punch is argued to be infinite level, the punch itself is squared

3D Goku fr

blast is powerful enough to contain

he is not, you're not even reading what I'm writing, thanks

 

[Redcated]

Hello. Sorry for this probably annoying question, I haven't been following this thread for a couple months and discussed all the chapters on another site.

I remember it was agreed upon by everyone that Void's attacks were a 4D (or 5D) hax. But in a recent chapter, Saitama caught his attack with one finger. Void has probably been revised in the past months and MAYBE you stopped giving him these kinds of abilities, but I wonder what Saitama gets for it?

NPI for Higher dimension

 

[ReusedOil]

3D Goku fr

he is not, you're not even reading what I'm writing, thanks

You dont understand my point. Going by your logic of a previous weaker saitama version being able to output infinite power... based on the author portraying he can do so efforetlessly, then the author portraying a (stronger) saitama the most serious hes ever been, fresh off a friend dying and acting out of emotion, who is performing a serious punch should also mean the attack has infinite power behind it.

A serious punch that garou copied. That garou matched, creating serious punch squared. A punch that holds infinite power, squaring infinites.

And blast is able to contain that, however long he was able to and would have eventually lost control over it, but for a moment, blast apparently was able to handle squared infinities ://

You do know that you dont have to explixitly mention in your writing, to be able to have implications that you didnt intend? Because this is what these are, implications

 

[Redcated]

Is there any disagreement for Void's blade being 4-d object when it interact to the universe?

 

[Entity]

A serious punch that garou copied. That garou matched, creating serious punch squared. A punch that holds infinite power, squaring infinites.

Yes, the fact that the punch was squared doesn't debunk the fact that it could be infite or we should put character like Goku 3D because they have multipliers in their transformations

And blast is able to contain that, however long he was able to and would have eventually lost control over it, but for a moment, blast apparently was able to handle squared infinities ://

Already told you that Blast's hax is 4D, not Blast himself, he does not scale to the punch²

You do know that you dont have to explixitly mention in your writing, to be able to have implications that you didnt intend? Because this is what these are, implications

I don't know where the implication of infinite speed came tho

Going by your logic of a previous weaker saitama version being able to output infinite power... based on the author portraying he can do so efforetlessly, then the author portraying a (stronger) saitama the most serious hes ever been, fresh off a friend dying and acting out of emotion, who is performing a serious punch should also mean the attack has infinite power behind it.

The serious punch he threw at Garou had that power yes

 

[Alexander]

Is there any disagreement for Void's blade being 4-d object when it interact to the universe?

No

 

[darkphantom9805]

The only disagreement is the people who refuse to believe Saitama can be that strong

 

[Redcated]

These are the same, at least from what I'm arguing. Void's projection sphere is exactly where his sword enters space. I feel if his attack was going across the universe to get to them they'd show planets/stars/etc. getting pierced. Murata is no stranger to deep space shots.

Logically, what Void can affect should be based on how far zoomed-in he is on a particular universe. I would imagine if he was very zoomed out to the point where he was viewing the observable universe, a single poke from his sword would obliterate galaxies.

If this is true then the slash here is should be small considering how zoom in it to Flash and Sonic

 

[Epiccheev]

I wish i had NPI for Saitama downplay arguments

 

[darkphantom9805]

Instead of giving saitama his feats this site just downplays everything has NPI or a new resistance

 

[ReusedOil]

@Entity

I am responding in order:

my point isnt about that it could be finite. When i am saying squared, im reffering to an infinity being multiplied by itself.

i am not talking about his speed without the hax. Its his overall power level to be able to teleport then subsequently hold infinity multiplied by itself; holding back the resulting explosion of energy of serious punch squared suspended above earth. It implies that blast is strong enough to hold back saitama's full power at that moment, multiplied by itself.

The implication of speed came from the idea that to survive an attack with infinite power, you require infinite durability. And seeing as how garou can copy and did just that, why not infinite speed? He needs to dodge attacks with infinity behind them after all. So why does this imply that blast can scale? Because without invalidating every detail by claiming its a gag while suspiciously validating one singular detail to fit your interpretation, a saitama who is trying to stop garou in a life or death situation (for everyone else) even with 'normal' attacks is portrayed to be exerting more effort than what you claim to be an infinite level knock. Normal punches that garou copied and all the implications that came with it, and whom which blast scales to because he fought him.

No need to comment on the last one.

(There is so many evidence that either goes against your interpretation or supports mine at the same time already: blast scaling issue + ff and sonic scaling issue, seeing as how they are not immobile in the face of a MOVING 'not trying' void who apparently moves at infinite speed, implying they move at a finite number below infinite, which starts off at universal. They now feasiably scale to an unknown MFTL amount that is a percentage of infinity + no feat of actual infinite level power without dimensional manipulation as examples + portrayal of the knock being effortless + the concept of saitama attacking garou with normal punches in a life or death situation should be him logically putting more effort + saitama's exponential growth adding strength + the fight with garou where saitama grows while the latter copies, portraying them to be performing higher and higher feats of strength, that not once showed 1% of infinity, so based on your interpretation aren't actually showcasing anything meaningful. Just a meaningless series of events showing infinitely weaker feats of strength + consistent portrayal of saitama's strength to be below infinity + no correlation of the increase of strength to the ability to manipulate higher dimensions + other already established explanation that allows dimensional manipulation that could be similar to blast/void abilities + and most importantly, saitama shown to control his matter at a molecular level and go outside the flow of time, a feat outside the realm of muscle power physics, showcasing the capability for esoteric ability. Are you telling me that in the face of all this, your theory is the one that is most likely???)