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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

ZillertheBucko said:
Base garou was able to take a hit from AB silverfang and clash with him before using awakening breath, and bomb was able to go toe to toe with base garou, and bomb is equal to base bang
awakening breath garou during the ultra hellfire burst wave thingy was able to hit an off guard platinum sperm and slightly crack his face so he's 6-C
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Yeah, ByAsura and others denied me that scaling more than a year ago. I don't know what has changed, but I'm glad the upgrade is finally happening.
 
I don't think I denied it (in a CRT, anyway). I think I actually agreed with it, and then some other staff member was the one denying it.

But I could be misremembering.

Edit: Yeah I was misremembering, but you agreed with me there.
 
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new AP scaling chains (my version)
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C PD AB Garou = AB bang > at least high 7-A+ base PD Garou = Bomb = Base Bang < Rover AP > MA raid arc Fubuki
  • At least high 7-A+ rover AP > high 7-A+ Half monster garou
  • Spiral Garou = At least high 7-A+ Darkshine >> high 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine = base bang = bomb
  • at most 6-C AB Bang = Post Molt centipede > at least high 7-A+ Pre Molt centipede ~ Bomb = Base Bang
  • at most 6-C Post molt centipede > At least high 7-A+ Jet Drive arrow (genos durability scales, not striking strength)
  • At least high 7-A+ Pre molt Centipede > High 7-A+ Metal Knight missiles
  • At least high 7-A+ Base Bang ~ Atomic Samurai > High 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • At most 6-C Sun Blade atomic samurai = Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine
  • there's literally no way to get royal ripper, bug god, other mid tiers like that to scale. Sadly, child emperor and drive knight also can't scale
  • speed scaling is kinda similar iirc with subrel, but fubuki completely gets blitzed by it, so anybody who fubuki scales to shouldn't be able to keep up with sub rel
unrelated, but can this be used as evidence that garou broke his limiter by the time of the saitama fight?
 
this is the result of hours and hours of circular scaling bullshit and having to find more ways to disappoint myself by eliminating the possibility of high 7-A+ watchdog man
 
ZillertheBucko said:
new AP scaling chains (my version)
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C PD AB Garou = AB bang > at least high 7-A+ base PD Garou = Bomb = Base Bang < Rover AP > MA raid arc Fubuki
  • At least high 7-A+ rover AP > high 7-A+ Half monster garou
  • Spiral Garou = At least high 7-A+ Darkshine >> high 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine = base bang = bomb
  • at most 6-C AB Bang = Post Molt centipede > at least high 7-A+ Pre Molt centipede ~ Bomb = Base Bang
  • at most 6-C Post molt centipede > At least high 7-A+ Jet Drive arrow (genos durability scales, not striking strength)
  • At least high 7-A+ Pre molt Centipede > High 7-A+ Metal Knight missiles
  • At least high 7-A+ Base Bang ~ Atomic Samurai > High 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • At most 6-C Sun Blade atomic samurai = Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine
  • there's literally no way to get royal ripper, bug god, other mid tiers like that to scale. Sadly, child emperor and drive knight also can't scale
  • speed scaling is kinda similar iirc with subrel, but fubuki completely gets blitzed by it, so anybody who fubuki scales to shouldn't be able to keep up with sub rel
unrelated, but can this be used as evidence that garou broke his limiter by the time of the saitama fight?
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I AM like 99 porcent sure fubuki does not know anything about the limiter
 
Alexander said:
I AM like 99 porcent sure fubuki does not know anything about the limiter
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well she doesn't know the term limiter but she does say he hit a "peak" and then ascended beyond it, which is an accurate limiter breaking description for someone who doesn't know the terminology like fubuki
 
ZillertheBucko said:
new AP scaling chains (my version)
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C PD AB Garou = AB bang > at least high 7-A+ base PD Garou = Bomb = Base Bang < Rover AP > MA raid arc Fubuki
  • At least high 7-A+ rover AP > high 7-A+ Half monster garou
  • Spiral Garou = At least high 7-A+ Darkshine >> high 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine = base bang = bomb
  • at most 6-C AB Bang = Post Molt centipede > at least high 7-A+ Pre Molt centipede ~ Bomb = Base Bang
  • at most 6-C Post molt centipede > At least high 7-A+ Jet Drive arrow (genos durability scales, not striking strength)
  • At least high 7-A+ Pre molt Centipede > High 7-A+ Metal Knight missiles
  • At least high 7-A+ Base Bang ~ Atomic Samurai > High 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • At most 6-C Sun Blade atomic samurai = Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine
  • there's literally no way to get royal ripper, bug god, other mid tiers like that to scale. Sadly, child emperor and drive knight also can't scale
  • speed scaling is kinda similar iirc with subrel, but fubuki completely gets blitzed by it, so anybody who fubuki scales to shouldn't be able to keep up with sub rel
unrelated, but can this be used as evidence that garou broke his limiter by the time of the saitama fight?
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does anybody have anything to say regarding this set of scaling chains?
 
Emerald said:
Drive Knight ~ Post EC Genos' AP > Post EC Genos' Dura > Post Superfight Genos' Dura = At least High 7-A
No?
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nope
genos's AP is only at least high 7-A+ with jet drive arrow , his physical strikes are only low 7-B and he never hurt anybody that scales to damaging him (without using jet drive arrow)
 
oh wait, also gouketsu scales above carnage kabuto who scales to darkshine, meaning he's gonna be at least high 7-A+ as well
 
ZillertheBucko said:
nope
genos's AP is only at least high 7-A+ with jet drive arrow , his physical strikes are only low 7-B and he never hurt anybody that scales to damaging him (without using jet drive arrow)
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His Durability is still High 7-A, and his upgrade shouldn't be that much inferior to the version that used JDA. In theory, MA Arc Genos should be above the JDA since he is supposed to be specialised in pure attack power, while his previous form wasn't
ZillertheBucko said:
also since when is drive knight above genos in AP
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I used "~" which means around or about the same level as
 
ZillertheBucko said:
do-s doesn't scale to MA arc fubuki
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I'm not 100% sure if Fubuki's chapter 114 Hellstorm knocked out DO-S but she didn't get seriously injured by it either. I think it bears e
ZillertheBucko said:
Still using threat level scaling terminology in 2023 smh
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Just because you had a CRT doesn't mean I and others like me scale differently now, I don't know what your non vsbattle mates use but everybody on the block's using disaster levels on my side of things
LordTracer said:
Same tier =/= comparable in power.
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I say tier in this case because the gap is too big for them both to fight comfortably in mountain level or large mountain level together, since those are respectively x10 and x4.3 deviations from weakest to strongest- even Island is only a X20~ difference. This town ain't big enough for the two of them
 
Ourosboros said:
I'm not 100% sure if Fubuki's chapter 114 Hellstorm knocked out DO-S but she didn't get seriously injured by it either. I think it bears e
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we don't even know if she's alive or dead, she's never seen again after that
and base bang alone (which fubuki scales to) completely wiped out the entire squad and dealt with do-s without taking any damage

anyways lets think about this

At least high 7-A+ Fubuki> High 7-A+ Do-s < At least high 7-A+ amai mask << at most 6-C fuhrer ugly
At most 6-C fuhrer ugly > At least high 7-A+ gums = At least high 7-A+ tank top master.....
Tank top master and darkshine scaling to the same thing is kinda bad....
even if we make a monster raid arc ttm key (we know he constantly trains, so it's kinda plausible) it ends up like
At least high 7-A+ tank top master < at most 6-C Fuhrer Ugly < Base Bang
which leaves bang scaling to at most 6-C....in a chain where he's supposed to be at least high 7-A+
somehow we'd need to get him one half step lower before it was consistent
 
although the best I could do is saying that rover's blast is only = to bang's AP, and fubuki downscales from it
which would mean
At least high 7-A+ bang = Rover AP > High 7-A+ Fubuki > At most high 7-A+ do-s < High 7-A+ Amai Mask << At least high 7-A+ Fuhrer Ugly > High 7-A+ Gums = MA arc Tanktop Master
High 7-A+ MA Arc TTM = Gums < At least high 7-A+ Fuhrer Ugly < Base Bang

but also if do-s is at most high 7-A+
she's a monster association demon level which means Phoenix Man, Nyan, Drive Knight, evil water, brave giant, and Iaian would GET THE SCALING THEY ******* DESERVE
 
Ourosboros said:
Just because you had a CRT doesn't mean I and others like me scale differently now, I don't know what your non vsbattle mates use but everybody on the block's using disaster levels on my side of things
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btw disaster levels outside the monster association are an L, if you read the thread revising them you'd see why
 
Comparing the before and after, would you guys say that prisoner did "damage" to jet psykos here?
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because uh basically
heart orochi survives hits from bang, bomb, and darkshine
prisoner doing minor damage to psykos should downscale
prisoner has reactive evolution so it makes sense that he would go from getting one shot by garou to downscaling from dark shine

Bos prisoner high 7-C
Post DSK prisoner scales to double his previous value?
Post garou fight prisoner should be high 7-A+ for damaging jet psykos who survived hits from bang, bomb, and darkshine
 
LordTracer said:
It takes significant damage from them (especially Darkshine, his kick mutilated Orochi so much that Psykos said his body was useless now), just surviving doesn’t necessarily mean it scales.
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the infamous downscaling

psykos saying the body was useless isn't exactly a quantifiable metric for anything. After all, it was still alive after both bang and bomb attacked it too, and only died from the tatsumaki drill later on. We don't know how damaged it would have to be for it to be considered "bad" to be fused with anymore to psykos
after darkshine kicked it, it was still completely conscious as well. I suggest we just go with
At least high 7-A+ darkshine/Bang/Bomb > High 7-A+ Orochi heart durability = Post-Garou Prisoner AP
 
ZillertheBucko said:
the infamous downscaling
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No offense, but you say this a lot… and you really don’t understand how it works. Downscaling is done when a character is inferior, but still displays some degree of comparability. Getting severely damaged, but still surviving, isn’t grounds for durability downscaling. That’s a stamina feat, but not a durability feat.
ZillertheBucko said:
psykos saying the body was useless isn't exactly a quantifiable metric for anything. After all, it was still alive after both bang and bomb attacked it too, and only died from the tatsumaki drill later on.
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I reiterate: just surviving doesn’t necessarily mean durability. Let me remind you of the definition of durability:
Durability is the property which guarantees the ability to withstand a certain amount of force. Withstanding force consists of the measurement of the severity of damage from attacks. This is not to be confused with endurance; while durability is the ability to withstand damage, endurance is a measure of stamina.
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When Darkshine kicks Psykorochi, there’s a visible indent in Orochi’s body and blood is spurting from it. The next panel, they’re screaming in pain and still spewing blood. That’s not withstanding force, that’s just surviving an attack. And to quote from the durability page’s section on surviving attacks:
Many characters have been shown to survive attacks far above their durability, usually surviving with large injuries that others on their scale usually wouldn't survive. This is because of endurance, as they can endure a certain amount of pain regardless if the attack has burned them or sliced off limbs. This is not a durability factor, as this is a quality that is commonly attributed to willpower.
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Orochi’s heart doesn’t downscale from Darkshine because it didn’t withstand his attack. It was severely damaged and only survived the attack, which isn’t a metric to judge durability. It wouldn’t scale to Bang and Bomb for similar reasons.
 
ReusedOil said:
I just realized... seeing as how saitama's endurance is seemingly not dependent on biological functions, and more about his willpower, is it fair to assume that saitama has "infinite endurance"?

The only limit being saitama's desire wether to continue or not.
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ReusedOil said:
Can endurance still be considered finite if calculating the amount is basically estimated by "how much the person gives a ****"?

Usually it doesnt matter how much willpower you have if you run out of energy and so the body fails to work, but its shown saitama's willpower supersedes the needs of the body and its biological functions.

If saitama is motivated enough, could he theoretically have "infinite endurance"?
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Bump
 
LordTracer said:
No offense, but you say this a lot… and you really don’t understand how it works. Downscaling is done when a character is inferior, but still displays some degree of comparability. Getting severely damaged, but still surviving, isn’t grounds for durability downscaling. That’s a stamina feat, but not a durability feat.
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I'm done with arguing for the prisoner thing, but I do disagree with this methodology.
Being able to stay intact after being hit will always mean something. For example, if a baseline 3-B character with infinite stamina is punched by a 3-A character, they are going to be blown to piece and die instantly no matter what. You would have to be insanely far above baseline 3-B+ for it to not like atomize you or something. When it comes to sword cutting off limbs, that's just a case in which the victim didn't stay intact at all, so it doesn't really count, but if you take a non suppressed punch from someone and don't get a hole punched through you or blown up or your limbs fly off from it, then it does say something about your durability from being able to completely maintain your structure, even if it causes immense pain and damage. There are different kinds of one shots, which I think the wiki doesn't really make a good differentiation between.
1. Being able to punch someone and knock them out or cause them to cough big amounts of blood etc.
2. Being able to punch someone and crack their bones
3. being able to punch someone and completely shatter all of their bones
4. Being able to punch someone and instantly blow them up into a pile of meat

Personally I feel as though with case 1, the gap would be most accurately represented by the difference between "at most 7-B" and 7-B or "at least 7-B", or something like that
There needs to be a clear difference shown between being one shot to a much lesser degree than 3 and 4 and still staying intact.
Because again, stamina is literally never going to save you if an attack really is strong enough to actually be like a 50 times gap or something insane like that (which is even smaller of a gap than what high 7-C to high 7-A+ would suggest)
LordTracer said:
It wouldn’t scale to Bang and Bomb for similar reasons.
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honestly they did nowhere near the amount of damage that darkshine did anyways, and were using a rush attack from both sides.
 
The main issue to me is whether or not prisoner did damage, which I do believe he did a little bit but I don't feel is worth arguing at the moment
 
so how about this

  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C PD AB Garou = AB bang > at least high 7-A+ base PD Garou = Bomb = Base Bang = Rover AP > High 7-A+ Fubuki
  • At least high 7-A+ rover AP > high 7-A+ Half monster garou
  • Spiral Garou = At least high 7-A+ Darkshine > high 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • 6-C Platinum Sperm > At most 6-C Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine = base bang = bomb
  • at most 6-C AB Bang = Post Molt centipede > at least high 7-A+ Pre Molt centipede ~ Bomb = Base Bang
  • at most 6-C Post molt centipede > At least high 7-A+ Jet Drive arrow (genos durability, striking strength doesn't scale)
  • At least high 7-A+ Pre molt Centipede > High 7-A+ Metal Knight missiles
  • At least high 7-A+ Base Bang ~ Atomic Samurai > High 7-A+ Half Monster garou
  • At most 6-C Sun Blade atomic samurai = Golden Sperm > At least high 7-A+ Darkshine
  • Fubuki > At most High 7-A+ Do-s
  • At most high 7-A+ Drive Knight = Nyan > at most high 7-A+ Do-s
  • At least high 7-A+ Fuhrer Ugly > High 7-A+ Amai Mask > At most high 7-A+ Do-s
  • At least high 7-A+ Fuhrer Ugly > High 7-A+ Gums ~ MA raid arc Tanktop master
  • High 7-A+ Gums = Pig God > At most high 7-A+ Mercenaries = Disciples
  • high 7-A+ Evil natural water > mercenaries and disciples

It's also worth nothing that nyan thought he could damage saitama after he saw him one punch rover, so Nyan is possibly higher
 
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