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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Zexer1 said:
What infos are going to be in the limiter page if you don't mind telling?
ig about what limiter is and what can be achieved by removing it...afaik removing limiter (like Saitama) just gives infinite potential without anything holding you back to power-up
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Best case scenario, limiter removal would allow Saitama and Garou to reach 3-A in vs matches
but other than that it would just give the entire cast accelerated development via recovering from near death, like a zenkai
it would make metal bat even stronger in vs threads, as well as giving zombieman an op ability, since he can recover from near death basically infinitely, like Phoenix man but better (unless you have regen neg)
 
ZillertheBucko said:
ok? I was just saying he would downscale for surviving multiple attacks from awakening breath garou, who scales to genos to some degree, and was even considered worth using as a shield to garou from death gatling
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The profile scales his AP to his durability, so I was accounting for that too.

That's only because Gatling didn't want to fire on him. It had nothing to do with durability. Are these babies 9-C/9-B all of a sudden?
ZillertheBucko said:
regardless of how held back he was, that doesn't affect his durability, and he was being harmed earlier in the fight obviously, hence the need to use awakening breath in the first place
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Once again, Glasses did not harm Garou (the part about pre-existing damage refers to the fact that he punched a cut that Stinger already made), so it doesn't matter if Garou's durability was affected or not, or if the other heroes were able to.

The only ones who actually hurt Garou had weaponry; Stinger's can one-shot opponents who can harm him and Demon levels, shooter has a weird ass bow (and got one-shot by Garou's rock throw), Gun Gun and Death Gatling wield guns, and the rest didn't even make a scratch.

The only one who may have hurt him in any capacity that really scales to them is Toad.
ZillertheBucko said:
gonna need specific examples
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I just gave specific examples, like Stinger, Golden Ball, Red Nose and Gun Gun. Pretty much every non-S-Class hero fight with Garou is an example in and of itself.
ZillertheBucko said:
this is out of context and doesn't really show if he was amped beforehand
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You can see that he's completely uninjured and one-shot the Demon. There's no possible way that he was amped, and nobody there would have given him a resonance boost.

Plus, even if he was somehow amped, MB in the Garou fight was amped to the point where he could one-shot opponents that could tank his blows before, and then boosted way further by getting severely injured by EC and Garou himself. So any potential amp he got during that Demon fight would pale in comparison.
ZillertheBucko said:
also, his bat got dented from that for some reason despite having high 6-A durability so...it's a bit of a weird scene to use, and takes place a fair bit in the past where the other heroes could have been weaker
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Upon becoming an S-Class (he was one of the lowest C-Class at the time of the Demon fight), Bad was gifted an indestructible bat from Metal Knight far after this because he kept breaking it even on fodder. So no.

Proof or that didn't happen.
ZillertheBucko said:
the fact remains that glasses did indeed take a beatdown from an almost genos level garou, but would just downscale
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Again, Garou has practically never killed a human opponent like (there were a few, IIRC) this pre-God, even if they were heroes. No facts remain here.

They even say that he was being toyed with so Garou would piss off the other heroes enough to lure them out.
ZillertheBucko said:
but whatever idk, I guess you can just stick with saying that a squad of dudes thousands of times weaker than him would somehow be able to make him budge, even if he were weakened, they're not relevant enough for me to care
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Yes, I am saying that Gun Gun and Shooter are fodder who do not physically scale to Garou just because he didn't mutilate them, much like every other human he's fought.
 
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There is not much merit in surviving attacks from someone who doesn't want to kill you in the first place. Every hero during that fight got one shotted and Garou clarified that if he wasn't weakened he would have easily disposed of all of them.

Idk about Chain Toad downscaling though
 
ByAsura said:
No it isn't. Garou was ******, used Bang's breathing technique (something that amps Bang's abilities), and then began to completely overwhelm them to the point where Glasses couldn't do shit when he was injured. My guy was gigantically weakened before that point.

Also, Glasses only ever kept up with Garou in terms of speed. We never see him inflict damage that's not already there.
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Garou said Glasses wasn't a pushover. Why would you say that to some random who is 1000x weaker than you?
ByAsura said:
Yes, I am saying that Gun Gun and Shooter are fodder who do not physically scale to Garou just because he didn't mutilate them, much like every other human he's fought.
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Gun Gun literally shoots and draws blood from him, and the arrow dude pierces his skin.
 
Cryo123 said:
Garou said Glasses wasn't a pushover. Why would you say that to some random who is 1000x weaker than you?
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Garou said he wasn't 'too bad' and that he's not just fodder. He thought that Glasses was just a weak support who hung around in the back and did little without other heroes.
Cryo123 said:
Gun Gun literally shoots and draws blood from him, and the arrow dude pierces his skin.
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Emphasis on physically scale. I already brought up the fact that they could use their weapons that don't scale to them to harm him.
ByAsura said:
The only ones who actually hurt Garou had weaponry; Stinger's can one-shot opponents who can harm him and Demon levels, shooter has a weird ass bow (and got one-shot by Garou's rock throw), Gun Gun and Death Gatling wield guns, and the rest didn't even make a scratch.
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I hope Phoenix Man vs Watchdog Man is a fight that happens in the future somehow
although if it were actually a good fight then either phoenix man would need to be a god tier or watchdog man would have to be not a god tier
but either way I wanna see it happen for some reason, phoenix man being my favorite from the monster association and watchdog man being watchdog man
 
ByAsura said:
Garou said he wasn't 'too bad' and that he's not just fodder. He thought that Glasses was just a weak support who hung around in the back and did little without other heroes.
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Considering that he even acknowledged Glasses' fighting ability when considered someone who has combat power "comparable to S-Class" heroes as not strong, this might not be contradicted.


On a side note, pre-MA arc Spring Mustachio was stated to have been a decent match for Garou if he wasn't trying to be a hero and fought him head on:

人間社会でヒーローなんかやってなきゃもう少しマトモな勝負ができたかもな・・・
"If you hadn’t been something like a hero in human society, maybe this would’ve been more of a decent match…"
 
Kachon123 said:
Considering that he even acknowledged Glasses' fighting ability when considered someone who has combat power "comparable to S-Class" heroes as not strong, this might not be contradicted.
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I still don't really see it. Not too bad overall =/= strong, especially since the rest of the heroes also weren't fodder to him in this state.

I guess the Spring Mustachio stuff is fine, especially since Garou did actively avoid his attack.
 
it seems a good Samaritan went and applied the threat level low 7-B stuff
though they left a few out a few, but uhhh idk how to use those template thingies
 
Kachon123 said:
Considering that he even acknowledged Glasses' fighting ability when considered someone who has combat power "comparable to S-Class" heroes as not strong, this might not be contradicted.


On a side note, pre-MA arc Spring Mustachio was stated to have been a decent match for Garou if he wasn't trying to be a hero and fought him head on:

人間社会でヒーローなんかやってなきゃもう少しマトモな勝負ができたかもな・・・
"If you hadn’t been something like a hero in human society, maybe this would’ve been more of a decent match…"
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High 7-C+ or Low 7-B Spring Moustachio ?
 
Melzalgard AP's justification seems a bit off… the form that killed Sky King and ripped out Iaian’s arm is not the merged state
 
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desperately requesting the raws for this scan ASAP
 
Recon1511 said:
It wont amount to anything, at best you can say his defense system can deal with Demon level threats which isn't anything impressive for an S Class Hero
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yeah, the idea was to upscale from amai mask since he's class A, but deepL just gave me some unrelated gibberish


Metal Knight says
Hoei
defense system alone
A class
enough for all
for all A-class heroes
the amount of work required for each
or more work
and so on!
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oh, thanks
...although, in hindsight he already scales to a higher low 7-B value than amai mask with prep, and already has child emperor's statement
so maybe it's not as useful as I first thought. Although it will be helpful in case amai mask ever scales to a higher value in the future.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
oh, thanks
...although, in hindsight he already scales to a higher low 7-B value than amai mask with prep, and already has child emperor's statement
so maybe it's not as useful as I first thought. Although it will be helpful in case amai mask ever scales to a higher value in the future.
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Don't you think the statement Metal Knight made about the system himself, as said by the HA workers in the next chapter (173), where he said "It can repel any and all monsters", is more interesting? Considering he has awareness of the Monster Association, and all.

I don't think that a boast made by the character himself will be enough for a massive upgrade on it's own in this case, but maybe you could come up with something.
 
well his first taste of the monster association which would warrant an upgrade was orochi, and for some reason I don't think people are gonna be a fan of high 6-A metal knight here
alternatively, if he somehow knew about the power of sperm and emperor, then maybe he could be upgrades, but unfortunately, he was completely absent
all was really have solidly is elder centipede, whom he already scales above when using prep anyways
 
On second thought, since he has access to the hero association’s database he could potentially scale above platinum sperm and flashy flash, since child emperor stated that his weapons are stronger than any hero, and he possibly had the data about platinum sperm when claiming he could repel any monster
it’s possible
 
ZillertheBucko said:
well his first taste of the monster association which would warrant an upgrade was orochi, and for some reason I don't think people are gonna be a fan of high 6-A metal knight here
alternatively, if he somehow knew about the power of sperm and emperor, then maybe he could be upgrades, but unfortunately, he was completely absent
all was really have solidly is elder centipede, whom he already scales above when using prep anyways
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I agree, I am by no means trying to suggest you scale him to Orochi lmao.
ZillertheBucko said:
On second thought, since he has access to the hero association’s database he could potentially scale above platinum sperm and flashy flash, since child emperor stated that his weapons are stronger than any hero, and he possibly had the data about platinum sperm when claiming he could repel any monster
it’s possible
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And yes, this is what I was going for. They should likely have data from the battles that took place against the cadres that went back to the Hero Association, which we know Bofoi can access their database whenever he pleases.
 
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