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I think that's a property of that specific attack.
The attack is done through condensing it’s ki and attacking a specific range. And the galik gun just attacks a wider range. Which means by default they are able to control the range of their affects with their ki no?
 
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So Garou, with the ability to copy anything and not having a limiter
thoughts on him copying high 3-A? Low 2-C? And tier 0

tier 0 is, something useless, I prefer the extraversal (1-S) but the copy the garou will be maximum 3-A, until something weird happens like there are levels of infinity or something like that in opm
 
it doesn't even exist as a fallacy in the first place
For like, IRL purposes no, but it is a defined official term
NLF: Short for “No Limits Fallacy”, it refers to a particular logical fallacy in which something that has not demonstrated limits in its home story would not demonstrate limits in any other story. This is a frequently used fallacy and is thus extremely frowned upon.

16. No Limits Fallacy (NLF)

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).

Example: "Itachi said that no one without a Mangekyou Sharingan can defeat him. Therefore he can beat all of DC, Marvel, DBZ, and Tenchi Muyo."

The person in this argument holds Itachi's statement to be absolute truth, ignoring the possibility that Itachi has no knowledge of certain enemies, or never expected to encounter them. The same can be said of Kishimoto: He never intended for his characters to be pitted in battle against characters from other works of fiction, so therefore statements like this do not hold true to other works of fiction necessarily. Furthermore, there is the possibility that in - universe, Itachi was lying, bluffing, misinformed, or deluded.
Garou shows that even with his power he can't do stuff like time travel because he's to weak.

Him copying someone massively above Saitama is questionable, let alone people that have infinite energy or higher dimensional power.
 
For like, IRL purposes no, but it is a defined official term


Garou shows that even with his power he can't do stuff like time travel because he's to weak.

Him copying someone massively above Saitama is questionable, let alone people that have infinite energy or higher dimensional power.
We stay highballing garou
also nlf would apply to him copying hax and abilities. Not AP really
 
For like, IRL purposes no, but it is a defined official term


Garou shows that even with his power he can't do stuff like time travel because he's to weak.

Him copying someone massively above Saitama is questionable, let alone people that have infinite energy or higher dimensional power.
ok,

So what if Simon has an infinite evolution and can outperform anyone, literally anyone, with the spiral power due to his infinite evolution. that now that is an NLF, because a limit is not shown, when it was said that there is no limit in the first place
 
So what if Simon has an infinite evolution and can outperform anyone, literally anyone, with the spiral power due to his infinite evolution.
That's still a NLF. Simon just lost outright to the Anti-Spiral and had to rely on someone else absorbing the Anti-Spiral's attack to amp himself before he could defeat it.

So even in his own franchise, Simon had clear shown limits to his strength increases.
that now that is an NLF, because a limit is not shown, when it was said that there is no limit in the first place
A limit was shown, multiple times. SGGL and on showed multiple times that Simon had a limit and needed an outside amp or energy absorption to win.
 
That's still a NLF. Simon just lost outright to the Anti-Spiral and had to rely on someone else absorbing the Anti-Spiral's attack to amp himself before he could defeat it.

So even in his own franchise, Simon had clear shown limits to his strength increases.

A limit was shown, multiple times. SGGL and on showed multiple times that Simon had a limit and needed an outside amp or energy absorption to win.
The spiral power has no limits of evolution, that's what I wanted to say sir.
also gurren lagann is from the series that is like this:
I can't beat you? Well I will, because if I believe in myself I can beat you.

is the anti spiral that has evolution limits, but simon does not have limits in the increase in power
 
That's still a NLF. Garou cannot copy higher dimensional or even extremely high AP without more evidence.
It's only a fallacy if the argument is fallacious. The story outright states that if you have your limiter broken, there's no limit to your power growth.
 
The spiral power has no limits of evolution, that's what I wanted to say sir.
Which is still a NLF, since it clearly had limits for multiple people who then required outside energy to get stronger.
I can't beat you? Well I will, because if I believe in myself I can beat you.
Which is incorrect as I pointed out above. Simon was not strong enough to beat the Anti-Spiral without Genome first absorbing the IBBS. Without that Simon would've just lost.
The story outright states that if you have your limiter broken, there's no limit to your power growth.
Garou never had his limiter broken. It started to break, but at no point was it ever removed. Its why he could never learn the ability to properly time travel and why Genos said that of the infinite amount of alternate universes Garou lost in all of them. He has strength limits.
 
It's only a fallacy if the argument is fallacious. The story outright states that if you have your limiter broken, there's no limit to your power growth.
Limits could already be seen ,being unable to cope up with saitama ,"thinking that one of these could outright kill him "
 
Which is still a NLF, since it clearly had limits for multiple people who then required outside energy to get stronger.

Which is incorrect as I pointed out above. Simon was not strong enough to beat the Anti-Spiral without Genome first absorbing the IBBS. Without that Simon would've just lost.

Garou never had his limiter broken. It started to break, but at no point was it ever removed. Its why he could never learn the ability to properly time travel and why Genos said that of the infinite amount of alternate universes Garou lost in all of them. He has strength limits.

wow, it smells a bit like you literally didn't see yourself ttgl, right?in the end of the fight,anti spiral was'superior'but simon simply just evolve in the instante and surpass anti spiral.
 
limits in evolution...
Oh, you meant in power increases.

Yes, Simon can grow higher in power without a cap through his own evolution or absorbing energy. But he can't become 12-D or 1-A because that's still a NLF.
 
Oh, you meant in power increases.

Yes, Simon can grow higher in power without a cap through his own evolution or absorbing energy. But he can't become 12-D or 1-A because that's still a NLF.

tell scp-682 that it went from building to extraversal (beyond 1-A high)with evolution.
It is not a no limit fallacy, because you would be committing the limit fallacy, by setting limits when it has no limits, it simply does not have them.
simon jumps tiers like a maniac (seriously, going from wall to 1-b low is something brutal)not even john eghbert is able to make a big jump in tiers(well,maybe)
 
tell scp-682 that it went from building to extraversal (beyond 1-A high)with evolution.
But that's not a NLF, because 682 actually did that feat.
simon jumps tiers like a maniac
Simon still can't go from 10+1 Dimensional to 12th Dimensional or infinity Dimensional without evidence. Because its a NLF.

Simon never preformed a feat of that and has showed he can cap out in power on his own. To suggest he can grow to 1-A or whatever is a example a NLF.

Its even worse for Garou since he was nowhere near the feats for power jumping that either 682 or Simon has.
 
Man trying to find matchups for OPM characters is a pain in the ass, everyone is so haxxed it's not even funny. Like I click a profile that looks like it could be a neat fight and their "powers and abilities" page is 6 paragraphs long 💀
 
But that's not a NLF, because 682 actually did that feat.

Simon still can't go from 10+1 Dimensional to 12th Dimensional or infinity Dimensional without evidence. Because its a NLF.

Simon never preformed a feat of that and has showed he can cap out in power on his own. To suggest he can grow to 1-A or whatever is a example a NLF.

Its even worse for Garou since he was nowhere near the feats for power jumping that either 682 or Simon has.
no, it is not, NLF is when you say that something has no limits because the limits were not shown, not to say that it has no limits, and it is true that it has no limits, that is not how it works, they should fix that and make an explanation more expanded.
 
tell scp-682 that it went from building to extraversal (beyond 1-A high)with evolution.
It is not a no limit fallacy, because you would be committing the limit fallacy, by setting limits when it has no limits, it simply does not have them.
simon jumps tiers like a maniac (seriously, going from wall to 1-b low is something brutal)not even john eghbert is able to make a big jump in tiers(well,maybe)
A drastic power jump by itself isn't a good justification for lacking limits and if we want to assume that there are quite literally no limits of any kind, then it becomes pretty difficult to actually describe a character's capabilities since nothing you describe would actually describe their maximum capabilities. That doesn't sound good for indexing or debating purposes.
 
A drastic power jump by itself isn't a good justification for lacking limits and if we want to assume that there are quite literally no limits of any kind, then it becomes pretty difficult to actually describe a character's capabilities since nothing you describe would actually describe their maximum capabilities. That doesn't sound good for indexing or debating purposes.
that's why they should put an explanation for that on the NLF page, instead of just putting that little text that can just be easily broken,like,really,they need to explain in more detail.
 
Garou shows that even with his power he can't do stuff like time travel because he's to weak.
Bad example.

Garou when trying to go back in time was him applying the WSRSF principles to his knowledge of the flow of all energy and behavior of all forces in the universe. It is using the same idea as NFF and the GRB.

The question Ziller asked is if Garou could copy 3-A and beyond. That is Shakkei/Modes. That has nothing to do with Garou's Cosmic Awareness.

Although I do agree with you that Garou can't copy those levels of power due to NLF, the example of time travel doesn't have anything to do with this.
 
Simon still can't go from 10+1 Dimensional to 12th Dimensional or infinity Dimensional without evidence. Because its a NLF.
Simon's evolution has already shown to be able to increase dimensionally. He should be able to reach anywhere within 1-B. It is high 1-B (which is infinity dimensional) and beyond (completely inaccessible) where it becomes NLF.
 
that's why they should put an explanation for that on the NLF page, instead of just putting that little text that can just be easily broken,like,really,they need to explain in more detail.
Could you explain that in more detail? I don't think that I really understand what you mean here.
 
Simon's evolution has already shown to be able to increase dimensionally. He should be able to reach anywhere within 1-B. It is high 1-B (which is infinity dimensional) and beyond (completely inaccessible) where it becomes NLF.
if the NLF gets to spiral power, and it won't.
 
Simon's evolution has already shown to be able to increase dimensionally. He should be able to reach anywhere within 1-B. It is high 1-B (which is infinity dimensional) and beyond (completely inaccessible) where it becomes NLF.
Just a minor correction "endless dimensions" rather than infinite dimensions
 
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