- 3,780
- 4,080
The attack is done through condensing it’s ki and attacking a specific range. And the galik gun just attacks a wider range. Which means by default they are able to control the range of their affects with their ki no?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
- Thread starter Phoenks
- Start date
- 656
- 663
- 13,903
- 5,405
So Garou, with the ability to copy anything and not having a limiter
thoughts on him copying high 3-A? Low 2-C? And tier 0
thoughts on him copying high 3-A? Low 2-C? And tier 0
- 15,450
- 15,867
NLF, NLF and also NLF
- 7,094
- 2,587
tier 0 is, something useless, I prefer the extraversal (1-S) but the copy the garou will be maximum 3-A, until something weird happens like there are levels of infinity or something like that in opm
- 7,094
- 2,587
NLF is not a fallacy, in fact, it doesn't even exist as a fallacy in the first place, because it would be better if it existed as a rule.
- 20,549
- 17,464
For like, IRL purposes no, but it is a defined official term
Garou shows that even with his power he can't do stuff like time travel because he's to weak.
Him copying someone massively above Saitama is questionable, let alone people that have infinite energy or higher dimensional power.
- 13,903
- 5,405
Tbh
I mean, mathematically speaking, he can copy anything excluding someone with an undefined power, since as far as I’m aware, limiter breaking in Opm removes limiter as opposed to just making it infinitely high (high 3-A)
- 13,903
- 5,405
We stay highballing garou
also nlf would apply to him copying hax and abilities. Not AP really
- 20,549
- 17,464
That's still a NLF. Garou cannot copy higher dimensional or even extremely high AP without more evidence.
- 7,094
- 2,587
ok,
So what if Simon has an infinite evolution and can outperform anyone, literally anyone, with the spiral power due to his infinite evolution. that now that is an NLF, because a limit is not shown, when it was said that there is no limit in the first place
- 15,450
- 15,867
This means 3-A, for those of y’all that still think you can put Garou up against a 3-A.
- 20,549
- 17,464
That's still a NLF. Simon just lost outright to the Anti-Spiral and had to rely on someone else absorbing the Anti-Spiral's attack to amp himself before he could defeat it.
So even in his own franchise, Simon had clear shown limits to his strength increases.
A limit was shown, multiple times. SGGL and on showed multiple times that Simon had a limit and needed an outside amp or energy absorption to win.
- 7,897
- 3,857
Garou can copy 3-A power no cap
- 7,094
- 2,587
The spiral power has no limits of evolution, that's what I wanted to say sir.
also gurren lagann is from the series that is like this:
I can't beat you? Well I will, because if I believe in myself I can beat you.
is the anti spiral that has evolution limits, but simon does not have limits in the increase in power
- 2,280
- 1,850
It's only a fallacy if the argument is fallacious. The story outright states that if you have your limiter broken, there's no limit to your power growth.
- 20,549
- 17,464
Which is still a NLF, since it clearly had limits for multiple people who then required outside energy to get stronger.
Which is incorrect as I pointed out above. Simon was not strong enough to beat the Anti-Spiral without Genome first absorbing the IBBS. Without that Simon would've just lost.
Garou never had his limiter broken. It started to break, but at no point was it ever removed. Its why he could never learn the ability to properly time travel and why Genos said that of the infinite amount of alternate universes Garou lost in all of them. He has strength limits.
- 2,127
- 1,726
Limits could already be seen ,being unable to cope up with saitama ,"thinking that one of these could outright kill him "
Apeironaxim
He/Him- 3,618
- 1,400
tbf people without strength Quirks have tier 8 feats because sure
- 7,094
- 2,587
wow, it smells a bit like you literally didn't see yourself ttgl, right?in the end of the fight,anti spiral was'superior'but simon simply just evolve in the instante and surpass anti spiral.
- 2,127
- 1,726
Garou's AD was infact weaker than many of the famous characters like broly who were able to become unqualitifiably infinitely stronger mid battle.
- 20,549
- 17,464
I mean, I have. Multiple times. I've even made an RT on the various forms of GL and helped out with an Anti-Spiral RT.
If Simon had no limits then he wouldn't have shown limits when fighting the Anti-Spiral.
- 7,094
- 2,587
no limits in evolution...
- 2,127
- 1,726
Alexander FRA
- 12,304
- 11,259
Highkey you're right.
- 20,549
- 17,464
Oh, you meant in power increases.
Yes, Simon can grow higher in power without a cap through his own evolution or absorbing energy. But he can't become 12-D or 1-A because that's still a NLF.
- 7,094
- 2,587
tell scp-682 that it went from building to extraversal (beyond 1-A high)with evolution.
It is not a no limit fallacy, because you would be committing the limit fallacy, by setting limits when it has no limits, it simply does not have them.
simon jumps tiers like a maniac (seriously, going from wall to 1-b low is something brutal)not even john eghbert is able to make a big jump in tiers(well,maybe)
- 20,549
- 17,464
But that's not a NLF, because 682 actually did that feat.
Simon still can't go from 10+1 Dimensional to 12th Dimensional or infinity Dimensional without evidence. Because its a NLF.
Simon never preformed a feat of that and has showed he can cap out in power on his own. To suggest he can grow to 1-A or whatever is a example a NLF.
Its even worse for Garou since he was nowhere near the feats for power jumping that either 682 or Simon has.
- 7,094
- 2,587
no, it is not, NLF is when you say that something has no limits because the limits were not shown, not to say that it has no limits, and it is true that it has no limits, that is not how it works, they should fix that and make an explanation more expanded.
- 5,122
- 2,628
A drastic power jump by itself isn't a good justification for lacking limits and if we want to assume that there are quite literally no limits of any kind, then it becomes pretty difficult to actually describe a character's capabilities since nothing you describe would actually describe their maximum capabilities. That doesn't sound good for indexing or debating purposes.
- 7,094
- 2,587
that's why they should put an explanation for that on the NLF page, instead of just putting that little text that can just be easily broken,like,really,they need to explain in more detail.
- 19,360
- 16,984
Bad example.
Garou when trying to go back in time was him applying the WSRSF principles to his knowledge of the flow of all energy and behavior of all forces in the universe. It is using the same idea as NFF and the GRB.
The question Ziller asked is if Garou could copy 3-A and beyond. That is Shakkei/Modes. That has nothing to do with Garou's Cosmic Awareness.
Although I do agree with you that Garou can't copy those levels of power due to NLF, the example of time travel doesn't have anything to do with this.
- 2,509
- 2,112
Simon's evolution has already shown to be able to increase dimensionally. He should be able to reach anywhere within 1-B. It is high 1-B (which is infinity dimensional) and beyond (completely inaccessible) where it becomes NLF.
- 5,122
- 2,628
Could you explain that in more detail? I don't think that I really understand what you mean here.
- 7,094
- 2,587
if the NLF gets to spiral power, and it won't.
- 2,127
- 1,726
Just a minor correction "endless dimensions" rather than infinite dimensions
