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[Tetsucabrah]

IIRC the snowman calc was considered an outlier or invalid for some reasons that I don't know.

Edit: I just remember that it was discussed before and can't be used to upscale Dragon-level threats. I don't know the reasons.

Only because the calc itself was deemed invalid in another CRT.
No one ever bothered the fix the page after that so the outdated calc is still on his profile.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also the calc lists 3.7716263*10^17 joules or 9 Megatons as 7-B+, but 9 megatons is only above baseline 7-B. So this would just make the dragons higher than baseline, but not +

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

No one ever bothered the fix the page after that so the outdated calc is still on his profile.

There's a new one? I figured it was outdated as the calc considers 9 megatons to be 7-B+. Likely due to the AP standards being different at the time.

 

[Ourosboros]

Only because the calc itself was deemed invalid in another CRT.
No one ever bothered the fix the page after that so the outdated calc is still on his profile.

What are the results for the new calc?

The outdated one is actually 90 megatons though, unless the 3.7716263*10^{17} joules end is a sig fig off

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What are the results for the new calc?

The outdated one is actually 90 megatons though, unless the 3.7716263*10^{17} joules end is a sig fig off

Ah, I see.

 

[Ourosboros]

Are we talking about the discussion on this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-punch-man-general-ap-upgrade-v3.55106/page-2#post-1810711?

"There was a problem with the giant snowman calc so the 7-B+ to at least 7-A stuff in the op aren't going to be applied.

But he was originally going to scale because he was assigned a dragon lvl threat which makes him stronger than the Giant Snowman which originally scales to its 90 Megaton calc."

"so is he going to stay the same or...?"

"stay the same."

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What was the problem with the calc, it wasn't stated in the comments of the blog

We should really just make this from scratch lol

 

[Ourosboros]

I'm not sure what problem they're talking about... I can't seem to find a recalc for it. Let me ask Qawsed about it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah ok. Worst case scenario, we calc this from scratch. Should I request it or is there someone here to do the honors?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

It was never recalc'd. People just forgot about it and never attempted it again.

 

[Ourosboros]

To be honest I'm not sure what the problem was... maybe the speed? They do assume Giant snowman is moving as fast (relatively speaking) as a human is running, I would probably using a walking speed since he doesn't seem to be sprinting in the anime or anything

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah, it looks like it's walking very slowly, and I don't think runs like a regular human

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I think one of the problems they had was that the Snowman in the anime OP looks so much different from the one in the manga.

 

[Ourosboros]

Gonna wait for input from Qawsed before I calc it. Because if that's not the mistake and I repeat the mistake, well that would suck.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Is there a way to calc the KE of an avalanche? I think that might be the way to go.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It'd be better to use the manga pic (Obv)

 

[Lightning_XXI]

That really deserves at least a recalc

Could that be an outlier for a Demon level threat ?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

No. I outlined why above.

 

[ImposingTiger]

I think we shouldn't scale dragons above beings that are unbalanced. By unbalanced I mean monsters have developed one area (Speed, AP, Durability) much more than the other ones. I wouldn't do it unless it's consistent.

It's like saying Flashy Flash is an Above Dragon because only his speed is in that realm. Giant Snowman is the same case but with AP.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I mean Flash probably would be an above dragon when he fights AG eventually

But the point of threat levels are to show which characters pose more of a danger, or are stronger than other monsters.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

There's a statement from Nyan that Gyoro Gyoro says dragon level is a cut above the rest.

 

[ImposingTiger]

That’s... not... how it works. Murata said Orochi is an Above Dragon. Psykos was not in the manga when this was said.

You can’t apply a statement about one character to another one that wasn’t even in the manga when it was said, that’s just not how things works.

Orochi was called by Murata an above dragon. Then Murata said: "after all, it's still unsure if he can beat Tatsumaki" or something along those lines. He was upscaling Orochi via a hypothetical comparison with another confirmed Above Dragon (Tatsumaki)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That's already contradicted, plus Murata is likely wrong in this case and he's not exactly a 100 percent source of evidence

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Is there a way to calc the KE of an avalanche? I think that might be the way to go.

^^^^

 

[Ourosboros]

Is there a way to calc the KE of an avalanche? I think that might be the way to go.

To be honest, I think the KE method used in the previous calc is good if we can get a proper speed. Giant Snowman should be almost a km3 of hardened snow moving at a decent clip that's far faster than a person but nothing crazy. Hypersonic+ seems like way to much. He would be wooshing out of view in the blink of an eye if he were going that quick. In the anime he's moving very slowly, probably about the speed of a moving car when you account for distance. 87200000000\cdot27^{2}\cdot0.5

Since the mass equation looks pretty good, I'll start there 87200000000kg. Before I do the work of figuring out his speed in the anime, let me assume he's traveling at 27 m/s, a speed cars would be going at on an interstate highway.

87200000000*27^2*0.5= 3.17844×10^13 joules or 7.5 kilotons, 7-C.

Hopefully he's going faster than a speeding car, the anime snowman is slow af.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

7-C is only for anime snowman?

 

[Ourosboros]

7-C is only for anime snowman?

Eh, I guessed his speed and tried to lowball. He's probably going a little faster than that, although snowman actually has to be moving at almost 1000 m/s or nearly mach 3 to make city level. I'll have to think of a way to apply avalanche physics to 'im and see what that gets

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah I see, It's better to just calc the manga one tho, both look very different.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

How fast does an avalanche move?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

200 miles per hour. Subsonic

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Thanks.

 

[Ourosboros]

200 miles per hour

Not all avalanches move that fast. If you want to lowball it, 130kph (80mph~). Highball it, 320 kph (200mph~). Let's use those as our low and high ends just for fun's sake. I have no way to prove that's how fast Giant Snowman is actually moving, but it's plausible.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Subsonic is slow as ****, like I'm sure the slowest OPM dudes are supersonic.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I honestly think subsonic is the lowball here. I'd imagine the snowman would actually pick up much more momentum via sheer size.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Is there a way to calc it via sheer size?

 

[Ourosboros]

I honestly think subsonic is the lowball here. I'd imagine the snowman would actually pick up much more momentum via sheer size.

That might be a good idea. I just calced the low and high ends, only gave 7-C results (13 and 82 megatons respectively)

 

[Ourosboros]

Is there a way to calc it via sheer size?

Yes, the giant snowman could always fall on somebody. But tell you what, that's still going to give 7-C results...
You'd need to prove Giant Snowman is sonic - hypersonic to get 7-B results

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So it needs to be mach in order to be 7-B. Well that was underwhelming. I guess asking some other knowledgeable calc member on this would be helpful

 

[ImposingTiger]

Shouldn't he be supersonic for being a demon level threat by your logic?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Maybe. Tho this might be calc stacking unless we wanna use the baseline for supersonic