STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[AtomicSekiro]

In my opinion? Yes, he can, while Ttasumaki has a higher AP than him in this site, in the context of the history it wouldn't make sense Tatsumaki being stronger than him (much less Psykorochi)

”In the context of the history it wouldn’t make sense Tatsumaki being—“

Why not? Nothing states that Tatsumaki is “supposed” to be weaker than Boros or Garou. The mass of the fandom just rallied behind their opinions that she is “supposed” to be weaker than them because they’re the “super cool god tier villains, duh!”. The only proof of her being weaker than them is her being only to slightly affect Awakened Garou when she was weakened severely and seconds away from passing out.

Tatsumaki is above Boros in AP (in PHYSICALS) and durability (imo) and it doesn’t NOT make sense. She’s one of “the strong!” afterall.

 

[Kin201]

Bruh. Don't overestimate her. After all, we have no way of knowing how much effort she will put into beating Golden Sperm when she is in perfect condition, let alone Garou.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The only proof of her being weaker than them is her being only to slightly affect Awakened Garou when she was weakened severely and seconds away from passing out.

TBF, according to ONE, Tatsumaki did say she would have trouble with golden sperm at full strength, and considering a not fully awakened garou stomped GS with no diff. This is something that's likely to be carried to the manga.

ONE: If Tatsumaki was in perfect shape, then against Golden Sperm it would be victory.

• T/N: It's hard to interpret the nuances from a single quote, but what ONE said was "タツマキが万全なら黄金精子に勝てる" He never specified how much difficulty she would have, but he did use the term "万全" (literally "ten thousand completeness"), a phrase that means "in perfect condition" shape, so having that emphasis would imply medium difficulty.

 

[RinneItachi]

Based on things like feats and calcs, manga Tatsumaki is debatably above Boros and Garou. Narratively speaking, not a chance.

As for the Golden Sperm scaling, at best that would only apply to webcomic Tatsumaki, and at worst, it's an irrelevant outlier statement. It's an old author claim long before Tatsumaki fought Psyrochi in the manga, and showed her true capabilities. ONE also never directly said that Tatsumaki would have some trouble against GS, that's literally just the translator's vague interpretation of ONE's arguable implications. Golden Sperm definitely does not compare to manga Tatsumaki for the time being. And considering the fact that Tatsumaki will once again be exhausted and injured by the time he shows up in the manga, he probably never will.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Based on things like feats and calcs, manga Tatsumaki is debatably above Boros and Garou. Narratively speaking, not a chance.

Explain pls. Also if you wanna talk stuff like Boros' AP, I'd recommend you place it in the boros CRT, while it's still ongoing.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

How am I overestimating Tatsumaki when she has feats that put her at, or above, Boros? (Without Collapsing Star).

Feats and calcs wise, she is above Boros and currently above Garou until his Manga counterpart comes out with some INSANE AP and lifting strength feats.

“Narratively wise”... anything said here is headcanon. Garou didn’t no-diff Golden Sperm, they had a quick battle but it was enough to finally push Garou from his barely human state to his fully awakened state.

For all we know, Golden Sperm could be above Boros, and weakened Tatsumaki almost instantly snapped Golden Sperm’s neck and she STILL WAS HIDING MORE POWER (since she later said she was using all of her remaining power to cause Awakened Garou some discomfort), then she passed out.

As I see it, in the manga continuity: Awakened Garou > Tatsumaki >>> Boros (without CSRC) > Golden Sperm (Mostly speculation).

 

[Kin201]

How am I overestimating Tatsumaki when she has feats that put her at, or above, Boros? (Without Collapsing Star).

Sorry, I was referring to webcomic Tatsumaki because you said nothing states that Tatsumaki is weaker than AG and Boros, who is equal to AG. What feats Tatsumaki has in the webcomic that put her above them?

For all we know, Golden Sperm could be above Boros, and weakened Tatsumaki almost instantly snapped Golden Sperm’s neck and she STILL WAS HIDING MORE POWER (since she later said she was using all of her remaining power to cause Awakened Garou some discomfort), then she passed out.

She almost killed (in your opinion) Golden Sperm and later used her remaining power to cause Awakened Garou some discomfort doesn't mean she could beat Golden Sperm if you placed Golden Sperm instead of Garou there. The fact remains, she needs to healthy and not take damage, especially brain damage prior to beat him.. without knowing how much difficulty she may have.

I DON'T really think Manga Golden Sperm will be above Boros without CSRC whatsoever, I don't think the authors will betray their words really that hard, but let speculation be speculation.

 

[RinneItachi]

Explain what? Based on calcs and scaling for Tatsumaki, she is above Boros and Garou, not counting CSRC. Narratively speaking, I mean, Boros and Garou are the biggest, by far the most important villains so far, implied to be the only characters even remotely getting close to Saitama's general league, disregarding likely similar but still unknowns like God and Blast. Are we saying that Psyrochi, the main character Tatsumaki scales above, is supposed to be on par with those two from a narrative stand point? Cause I'm sure most of the entire OPM community would disagree on that. Not based on pure headcanon, but based on logical conclusions made from, while not objective or concrete, still very likely author intentions, intentions that most people would interpret when going through the series. You have the fact that Psyrochi was never implied by a reliable source to be an actual God level threat, whereas Boros and Garou do have those implications. And while I don't disagree with placing the very high level Dragon's/arguable God level characters in "Above Dragon", that is still a fanmade term and is not what ONE said or even directly implied. Officially speaking, Psyrochi is an extremely high level Dragon, Boros is either also an extremely high level Dragon or a God according to ONE, with Awakened Garou being roughly on par with him,

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

One could argue Orochi isn't even dragon or above level, as his above dragon level statements come from Murata, and we treat all his statements as "possibly". So really, Pskorochi is technically only "possibly dragon or above".

 

[RinneItachi]

Orochi was definitely one of the strongest Dragon's by a large degree, but not Above Dragon at all. Murata's very vague statements, on top of him not being an author for OPM, don't help his case more than furthering the fact that he's a very high tier Dragon level character. His best speed feat was debatably reacting to and actually dodging an attack from Saitama, but he very likely saw it coming before Saitama actually threw the punch. Yeah though, Orochi didn't have enough going for him to put him among the Above Dragon level characters, but he was only a step below it I would say.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I can't believe I missed that one out in my seperation CRT. Welp, gotta go fix some shit. :/

R.I.P solid Low 6-B+ orochi

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'll post more on why later and likely in the boros CRT thread, so go look at that for more, but I plan on Orochi being: High 7-A, possibly Low 6-B+ | High 6-C, possibly Low 6-B+ or higher

 

[AtomicSekiro]

I’m not discussing webcomic Tatsumaki. Someone here changed it from manga Tatsumaki to webcomic Tatsumaki somehow, who I’m not discussing.

Manga Tatsumaki > Manga Boros > Webcomic Garou and Boros. No CSRC.

Tatsumaki while still holding back power almost killed Golden Sperm in an instant but her using all of her remaining power which she used against Garou would not kill him? Doesn’t make sense to me. Golden Sperm doesn’t have regen. If she snapped his neck, he would die instantly, and considering she almost did that with one hand and still hiding her power...

 

[Kin201]

I’m not discussing webcomic Tatsumaki. Someone here changed it from manga Tatsumaki to webcomic Tatsumaki somehow, who I’m not discussing.

When did I change manga Tatsumaki to webcomic Tatsumaki? It was you who were discussing webcomic Tatsumaki being possibly above Boros and AG in the first place, because AG never showed up in the manga thus far, how could you refer to manga Tatsumaki? I basically was using ONE's quote to counter your argument about weakened Tatsumaki could have beaten Golden Sperm. Think what you want but Tatsumaki can't beat Golden Sperm there because according to ONE, she can't and she can beat him if only she is healthy and not take damage, especially brain damage.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

I didn’t say you did, and no I did not. I’m referring to Manga Tatsumaki only, and I’m basing Awakened Garou based off speculation since it’s pretty comfortable to say he’s going to be above pretty much everything we’ve seen so far.

You’re misrepresenting his quote to try boost your own argument. All he says is “if she was healthy, she could win” which is highly vague and would be like saying “if Garou was in tip top shape, he could beat the A class strike team”. The difficulty is not implied and implying a difficulty to it is headcanon.

Anyways. Tatsumaki currently looks stronger and is stronger than Boros (without CSRC) and could comfortably take him in Meteoric Burst, in my opinion.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So look through the other stuff, I think it's pretty interesting how Boros is the only legit Dragon or above. As orochi's one comes from murata, Psykorochi upscales from orochi, and AG's one being considered above dragon comnes entirely from scaling to boros, despite never actually being called dragon or above by anywhere. Just a thought

 

[Kin201]

I don't understand how I misquoted him. He clearly stated that a weakened Tatsumaki, with brain damage, can't beat Golden Sperm. Unless you want to say a weakened Tatsumaki with brain damage is healthy and in perfect condition, but fair enough.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

What did I miss?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Never mind, I read through it and just looks like Tatsumaki VS GS discussion.

 

[Ourosboros]

IDK if anyone watches Grimm, but he did a top 30 opm characters video with his fellow manga onlies and I got inspired to do my own top 30 that uses manga content and projects manga power levels on webcomic content.

Saitama would be no.1, but 99% of the community knows he's on that level so it's almost redundant to include him and kick others off the list. Keep in mind, this is more an evaluation of how characters scale relative to each rather than pure AP. AP is a secondary consideration, it's more about who beats who. My 3, 4, 5 spots are a good example of the importance of matchups. I think Boros vs. Garou vs. Tatsumaki is a rock-paper-scissors situation where it's match-up dependent. Tatsumaki can probably restrain Boros and nullify his regeneration, Garou can outmuscle Tatsumaki's TK, Boros beats Garou if he uses his range properly. Same situation in the pretty much every tier...

1. God
2. Blast
3. Garou
4. Tatsumaki
5. Boros
6. Psyrochi
7. Metal Knight
8. Genos (with ten-seconds)
9. Golden S
10. Orochi
11. Drive Knight (assuming the king form is far stronger than Promoted Rook and Gold)
12. Village Ninja Leader
13. Flashy Flash
14. Evil Natural Water
15. Beefcake
16. Darkshine
17. Bang
18. Rover
19. Psykos
20. Elder Centipede
21. Gouketsu
22. Pluton
23. Amai Mask
24. Erimin
25. Destro
26. Vaccine Man
27. Atomic Samurai
28. Groribas
29. Nyan
30. Homeless Emperor

 

[InfiniteDay]

26. Vaccine Man

Anti-vaxxers are rolling rn.

 

[Ourosboros]

Anti-vaxxers are rolling rn.

Vaccine Man is probably a God-level threat from an Anti-vaxxer perspective

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Vaccine Man is probably a God-level threat from an Anti-vaxxer perspective

lol that's true.

 

[ImposingTiger]

I would argue the Orochi "dragon or above" statement (even if it was said by Murata) was meant for Psyrochi instead, as they pretty much changed roles in the story. Saitama was said not to fight Orochi in the arc but he finally did. Orochi was supposed to take on the S class heroes and be defeated by Tatsumaki, without a clear outcome if both of them were to fight. We now know this description doesn't fit Orochi at all, but it is more apliccable for Psyrochi ,who is somewhat comparable to Tatsumaki, fought the S class before being defeated, didn't face Saitama, and will end near Golden Sperm's level.

So if we were to grant someone with the "dragon or above" term, I think that would necessarily be Psyrochi, not Orochi, for the reasons above.

 

[Ourosboros]

I'd wait for the redrawn Orochi fight before we downgrade Orochi from above dragon into high dragon territory. His performance really impressed me, I only wonder about his original durability.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Also, my queen Psykos is in the top 20.

I'm happy, y'all.

 

[Ourosboros]

I was just thinking about Rover and I remembered... Rover was causing magnitude 5 earthquakes on the surface which is hundreds, possibly 1000+, meters above him and Garou with his blasts. I know nukes detonated 200 meters down cause magnitude 4.5 earthquakes on the surface... is Rover's earthquake feat at all impressive if we say the explosion's uppermost perimeter is 1 km below the surface and the base/earth between them has 60% hollowness?

 

[ImposingTiger]

I was just thinking about Rover and I remembered... Rover was causing magnitude 5 earthquakes on the surface which is hundreds, possibly 1000+, meters above him and Garou with his blasts. I know nukes detonated 200 meters down cause magnitude 4.5 earthquakes on the surface... is Rover's earthquake feat at all impressive if we say the explosion's uppermost perimeter is 1 km below the surface and the base/earth between them has 60% hollowness?

Rover's durability at least, was supposed to scale above the Millenium Emperor Nova before the redraws so that says something about his power.

 

[Ourosboros]

Rover's durability at least, was supposed to scale above the Millenium Emperor Nova before the redraws so that says something about his power.

What was the scaling chain for that like? I joined right before the redraws and had no idea that Rover's durability was High 7-A until the redraws.

Either way, I want to see if Rover has any feats that could upgrade him. Apparently the shockwaves from that time he got punched by Saitama weren't that impressive from an AP perspective

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Flashy Flash is #13 in everything apparently XD

Glad to see my boi there

I'm surprised with Sweet Mask, I guess his feats against Black Sperm and his monster form are being used

 

[ImposingTiger]

What was the scaling chain for that like? I joined right before the redraws and had no idea that Rover's durability was High 7-A until the redraws.

Either way, I want to see if Rover has any feats that could upgrade him. Apparently the shockwaves from that time he got punched by Saitama weren't that impressive from an AP perspective

The attack Rover took from Saitama scaled above the Millenium Emperor Nova because Orochi decided to inetrvene personally, sensing what he called a "high energy", something he didn't credit the MEN.

 

[LordTracer]

I would argue the Orochi "dragon or above" statement (even if it was said by Murata) was meant for Psyrochi

The statement was made before Psykorochi even existed though... Hell, the statement was made before Psykos even appeared in the manga.

 

[ImposingTiger]

The statement was made before Psykorochi even existed though... Hell, the statement was made before Psykos even appeared in the manga.

That doesn't change the fact that Psyrochi ended up doing everything Orochi was supposed to do. They changed roles so I firmly believe the above dragon term should be for Psyrochi instead.

 

[Ourosboros]

The attack Rover took from Saitama scaled above the Millenium Emperor Nova because Orochi decided to inetrvene personally, sensing what he called a "high energy", something he didn't credit the MEN.

I see, thank you.

With the redraws though, Saitama punched one of Orochi's dragons (the one that was chasing Child Emperor) so that statement probably won't appear.

 

[LordTracer]

That doesn't change the fact that Psyrochi ended up doing everything Orochi was supposed to do. They changed roles so I firmly believe the above dragon term should be for Psyrochi instead.

That’s... not... how it works. Murata said Orochi is an Above Dragon. Psykos was not in the manga when this was said.

You can’t apply a statement about one character to another one that wasn’t even in the manga when it was said, that’s just not how things works.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

lel

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Holy shit we're at 49 pages. Anyway, if things go to plan in the CRT, boros is likely being the third fastest character in the series

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Holy shit we're at 49 pages. Anyway, if things go to plan in the CRT, boros is likely being the third fastest character in the series

Flashy Flash after seeing numerous characters are faster than him:

 

[Ourosboros]

Holy shit we're at 49 pages. Anyway, if things go to plan in the CRT, boros is likely being the third fastest character in the series

After Saitama and Blast, I'm guessing?

What will his speed rating ideally be?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Actually

1. Boros' ship at FTL to MFTL+ coming from the calc on it's page.

2. Saitama (duh)

Usklaverei calced the speed that boros would have to be in order to kick Saitama to the moon at 0.75c to be at around 2x FTL.

holy shit. This is still only an IF