Strongest Character Reinhard van Astrea Can Beat?

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Zero I think you are underestimating reinhard a bit here, even physically and without his hax he would solo rem and garfiel, as i said above his body absorbs mana but can't release back into the atmosphere so he uses it to enhance his physical abilities, did you read the summary of arc 5? Reinhard kicked a door flying towards regulus, and also kicked regulus high into the air and stomped him into the ground so far down that he reached a waterway for the city, that would likely be at least like several meters underground, reinhard aint physically weak.


And just because reinhard has no offensive hax doesn't mean you can beat him he has hax resistance and defenses so at worse like what we saw in his fight with regulus, it would be a stalemate against someone with hax as he can't put them down but they can't put him down either.

 

[ZERO7772]

i was joking about Rem and Garfiel even without mana he gave blessing to have superhuman strength and he can absorb manga as well physical power mean nothing anyway since all the top tiers rely on hax

No arc 5 is the only arc i didn't read it's summer i don't feel like it for some reason

you add nothing new you can't beat Reinhard but he also can't beat you because he doesn't have hax that what i said at first unless the hax have some sort of time limit then its goes to Reinhard

 

[Gemmysaur]

mana*

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It's also depends on what sort of hax you have as well i mean regulus had an op defensive hax that basically nopes all attacks and would need like shaula's space piercing hax to get through it or something even better than that but if the hax was something different like idk death manipulation like sirius has that wouldn't stop reinhard from stomping them and it wouldn't do anything to him apparent when sirius used it on reinhard and it does nothing.

So you need like an op defensive hax like regulus to stalemate him, clearly he couldn't do anything to someone like pandora cause death means nothing to her so he couldn't put her down but that will probably also work the same where she can't put him down either.

 

[ZERO7772]

i can't believe i wrote manga lol

 

[ZERO7772]

Reinhard will lolstomp sirius , regulus could keep up with reinhard because he's hax is mainly defensive if your hax is about offensive or killing the opponents Reinhard will get your ass pretty much and regulus > sirius

Yeah agree with what you said

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Isn't there a Country level Link out there that would give Reinhard a hard fight?

 

[ZERO7772]

link ?

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Reinhard may likely enter Small Continent -> Continent territory with a future revision, so let's wait for future volumes/Author's Notes to double check these details. (mainly the distance covered by Earth Dragons to determine how much destruction Witches can cause)




Dovahkiin got a similar upgrade to Island level due to Greybeards doing a similar thing.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Never mind. All Links are either Planet or Island.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea if your hax is offensive it ain't gonna do anything to him, seeing as how sirius's death manipulation didn't do anything i am pretty sure if the other bishops used their hax on reinhard it wouldn't do anything either. Capella uses her matter manipulation to turn reinhard into a fly, reinhard nopes that, ley tries to eat his name and erase him from existence, reinhard nopes that.

Now that i think about it regulus's ability allows him to by waving his hand, cut anything in it's trajectory no matter the toughness and make even things like gravel become inevitable shots, his ability stops any interference from outside side of it and allows only his interference so he can do anything he wants in it, bending the laws of physics would be child's play for him and even with that he couldn't do anything to reinhard and had to resort to using a hostage to make reinhard intentionally put down his defenses and take his attack.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Hienkel i noticed on the other forum you were talking about how reinhards ability works and you said some very interesting things to say the least which if is actually legit would make reinhard even more op than i thought.

Like reinhard's DP protecting him by creating a dimensional barrier through which, at least, no matter or transferable physical energy passes through, or no magical/spiritual matter/energy can pass through which is why regulus couldn't get through his defense and when he tried to hit reinhard his hands hit something very solid when it got near him.

Also that interview you brought up about tappei the author i never saw that one before it's also interesting, he said that should a Tsar Bomba be dropped on Reinhard, it would fizzle and be unable to hurt the Sword Saint.

The biggest thing you stated though is that reinhard's DP could protect him from pandora's reality warping, when did reinhard and pandora meet though, i don't remember them having met before.

I find the last comment on his ability to be the shakiest but i buy the first 2 though the second one more so cause the author stated it, it's interesting that his DP will actively act to protect him.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

The 'nuke won't detonate' comment is taken here: http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Reinhard_van_Astrea

Q: What if you nuke him? Can that really miss him?

A: The author has stated that the nuke wouldn't detonate.

We just don't have translations for all of the author's interview, so there's that.


As for Pandora: since she has actually never met Reinhard in person, I was power-scaling Pandora's capabilities to Maximized Emilia when she and Emilia fought 1v1 (which was being observed and analyzed by Echidna, the significance of whose views I will explain below). Time and Emilia's recovering power allows her to counteract Pandora's reality-warping influence on herself, and, as her former self, probably even beat her under ideal conditions without being one-shotted by the reality-warp (even though Emilia can't one-shot Pandora either because she's so defensively specialized). I suppose that Reinhard could do better than Emilia at this, we just do not by how much. Still, he would have some level of resistance developed against Pandora - to an unspecified degree, of course, but we at least know now that it can be counteracted by existing means, because it has already been done and explained by Echidna. (raw 'Power' as the most basic form of counter)


[Echidna: Memory alteration isn't your fault. It is Pandora, Witch of Vainglory who can warp reality into her liking. It is both time and your power that weaken her influence]

[Echidna: As you saw, your power is incredible even in uncontrolled state. You could have beat Pandora even when you're young in sheer power. Of course, sheer power alone cannot win the fight, and Pandora is specialized at saving her own skin.]

[Emilia: You suddenly took back your insults.]

[Echidna: I am sympathetic enough to care about someone who just remembered the loss of her mother. Even it's a ***** like you]

[Emilia: Thanks]

http://pastebin.com/XhMY5wg1

So I don't know if Reinhard can always defeat Pandora 1v1. But I find it very likely that he will be resistant to Pandora's power, to a certain degree, that would give him a fighting chance from a theoretical perspective. It's a theoretical exercise because the two hasn't met yet and we can only power scale them to known characters who have already fought.

By the way, if Arc 4 ever gets Manga adaptation, we can also scale Emilia's AP using this in the future.

Which, of course, completely snaps Emilia. She devastates everything nearby with her ice magic unseen of any scale.

I think Echidna's words when she explains stuff to Emilia and Subaru are reliable enough. As an In-Character person she's already the most knowledgeable and omnisicent being in Re:Zero as the Witch of Greed, and she can peer into multiple parallel versions of the past if she wants to.

In fact, I think it's Tappei's intent to use Echidna as a narrator character/plot anchor to explain some important stuffs going on in Re:Zero. She's a good plot device for that task, without having to personally explain those things in interviews constantly.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Well i agree that clearly pandora isn't gonna just warp reinhard out of existence.

Emilia can't beat pandora though, in sheer power yea she outclasses pandora but that doesn't mean anything against hax which echidna points out, pandora could have just wipe her from existence but she has plans for her so she just altered her memories which emila regained eventually.

Echidna is the most knowledgeable person in the verse that's her own entire motivation acquiring more knowledge at any cost so anything she says is undeniable fact.

 

[ZERO7772]

it's obvious pandora could kill Emilia if she wanted too even Reinahrd can't from what we saw until now

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

I don't think Emilia can defeat Pandora either in her current form, unless... she's actually the pristine version of Satella that she transforms into after absorbing Envy's genes. 8)

Just sayin' Echidna has mentioned that some level of Pandora's power can be countered by the afflicted's own power, even though she did not explain the mechanism specifically (yet).

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I mean pandora's ability has limits as if it didn't then nobody in the verse would be able to take her. She can't control the kurohebi but can direct it so that shows her limits, i think in terms of pandora using her ability to control people, it can be countered by the afflicted's power but i don't think it extends beyond that.

If she decides to warp you from existence you're not resisting that unless you're reinhard of course evident by when she sent regulus back to his mansion and everything he did before being sent back was erased and regulus couldn't resist it and has we all know regulus has that op defense that nopes all attacks.

 

[Heinkel_Astrea]

Actually, I think there's a simple DP mechanism by which Reinhard simply negates RZ magic.

"Magic Resistance: No curses, debuffs, or buffs can affect him."

... So Reinhard is effectively resistant to all offensive curses that exist in RZ. Has he ever been hurt without intentionally turning off his defenses?

It's only inclusive to RZ feats so far, but we can partially extrapolate this to other universe's feats by comparing the effects of their own reality-warping magic with RZ reality-warping magic.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This actually makes a lot of sense, basically if taken literally means nothing can affect him, but he also has first attack immunity and proceeding attack immunity on top of that as well. His abilities are really nlf if taken literally though, i want more info on how it works.

Might get that when we get more info on od luguna which gives blessings or in those side stories where reinhard actually fights, waiting for translations is gonna be hard.

And nope he has never been hurt without intentionally turning off his defenses.