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Strongest Character for Every Tier 20

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I still have issues with any random avatar using power from his possibly Low 1-C true form.

Why when it is literally the direct power of his very concept? Just like YHVH has 1-C passives due to power from his 1-C true form.
 
"Why when it is literally the direct power of his very concept? Just like YHVH has 1-C passives due to power from his 1-C true form."

Can I ask where does this come from? Because I do remember you saying that the true forms were totally featless.

Dont bring YHVH into this pls. I know nothing about SMT.
 
And even if the power comes from their true form you need something else to justify that its exactly the same power, as we like to reiterate "source =/= power".
 
You mean power directly form his concept? You mean how their Avatars are based around their concepts I think this was obvious. Lucemon's power of Pride is based off his concept.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
You mean power directly form his concept? You mean how their Avatars are based around their concepts I think this was obvious. Lucemon's power of Pride is based off his concept.
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See my previous reply.

Even then, your explanation is not good enough.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
You mean power directly form his concept? You mean how their Avatars are based around their concepts I think this was obvious. Lucemon's power of Pride is based off his concept.
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Again, that same logic works with someone like Unicron.
 
PaChi2 said:
And even if the power comes from their true form you need something else to justify that its exactly the same power, as we like to reiterate "source =/= power".
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What proves their power is any different? Lucenon's Avatar are literally extension of his power spread infinitely.
 
And Bill's match against Sauron hasn't been conclded either.

Besides, Bill and Sauron have both the same speed, if I'm correct.
 
What proves their power is any different?

Its the opposite way. I dont need to prove a negative. You need to prove that the power of any random avatar is the same of their true form.

Or is now any Universal Marvel Abstract a 2-C with High 1-B hax from their multiversal versions?
 
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What proves their power is any different?
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Its the opposite way. I dont need to prove a negative. You need to prove that the power of any random avatar is the same of their true form.

Or is now any Universal Marvel Abstract a 2-C with High 1-B hax from their multiversal versions?

Only if its stated they can use the powers of there Higher forms.
 
Sound of Infinity said:
Setsuna tenma said:
How about this guy he has 4D power and he beat that dude
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How do you know he has 4D powers?
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well

  • Territory of Parallel Worlds: With his friends Ray's powers, Ryouga's powers were able to go beyond the extent of his own world, extending into parallel realities and granting him access to four-dimensional space-time. Although he was initially incapable of destroying Olfyreus due to the latter extending himself throughout reality at a rate faster than Ryouga can erase him with Eclipse, Ryouga's newfound power allowed him to extract the probability of Olfyreus's defeat, death, and subsequent destruction from another universe. In doing so, he is able to impose that outcome on his own universe to make it reality, thus making all subsequent events align for Olfyreus's defeat.
 
So this is almost finished. I wonder what happens once all the tiers are set (assuming they are set before some new verse gets in and gets like 5 spots or poke-digimon gets downgraded/upgraded again and changes the whole tiering).
 
No, 2-C just has a lot of contenders.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Ah the chaos one can cause just by mentioning 2-C Lucemon. Even though such a downgrade is not happening. The fact that people believed it even for a second substains me. ovo
Top Strongest 2C Lucemon
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Well yeah i read this, why did that discussion last doe? I mean am not rly into the "mon" so i just kind of stayed out of it, if it was a joke why did it go on for like 30 replies?
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Vecna has type 8 immortality reliant on a 2-A concept, BTW.
Edit: He has it as a lesser god but why is it listed for his high 6-A?
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Pretty sure his type 8 reliant of a 2-A concept is not applicable in fight situation

I doubt about this tho
 
When did the Magnus matches happen? There's also Orcus in 2-C. Considering how DnD is, my money's on him rn.
 
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