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Street fighter speed downgrade

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Grudgeman1706

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After discussing this with several people and getting approval. I'm here to discuss the downgrade the speed of M.Bison. Specifically the calc that puts him at MHS(here's the calc if one needs to look at it https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ter_-_Lasers_and_Nukes_(Calculations_by_Vivi).

I'm here to say that feat is wrong here's why and hear are my evidences to prove it

The calc itself is wrong because the feat isn't true to what it says let me explain. If you watch the original clip(start at 20:40 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_9RWwOWaaI ) to the feat we have bison levitating away and heading towards the capital. The next scene is Charles calling chun li telling her that he will pursue bison and asks her to stop him from destroying the capital with psycho power. Chun li who is currently near the shadaloo secret base infiltrates it and starts looking around for something to stop bison and discovers the controls to the giant Hindu robot. The scenes cuts to the giant robot getting up and begins to load and fire it's laser, the scene then cuts to bison flying with his psycho powers somewhere and it repeats with the laser and bison back and forth, while he's gloating to himself. suddenly at the last second he sees the laser right before it hits him and he dies.

Reason 1:The calc in question states that bison "intercepts" the laser. It that is wrong.Based on what she says it is heavily Implied that chun li calibrated the robot to shoot the laser precisely to hit bison and kill himm the last scene where bison supposedly "intercepts" the laser is also wrong for several reasons.

for starters why would bison intercept a laser just to get killed? Bison was completely surprised when he saw the laser right before it hit him. He was caught in the laser not intercepting.

Reason 2: For those who disagree with my accusation might say "but grudge if you look at the last scene you can see bison colliding at the same time with the laser so he must be going at similar speeds" the answer is no because of two main reasons. For starters this is a old school game so animation wise their was very few things that they could do the animation was supposed to represent the laser right before it hit bisons body not bison moving at the same speed of the laser and colliding with it.

The second reason will be answered with an analogy. Imagine bison as a man in a alley way and his destination is going to a store on the other side of a street,the man (bison) is walking towards the street, however what the man doesn't know is a fast moving car (representation of the laser) is on the same street the man needs to cross. The car is going much faster than the man is walking(or running however you picture it),however the distance the man needs to reach is much shorter than the cars distance from where the man . At the speed the man is going and his short distance, adding with the speed of the car he sadly collides with the car (laser) and they both crash.

If you did not get my weird analogy let me summarize it for you. Bison was going in a different direction towards the capital from the laser and the laser was strategically placed by chun li to hit bison at a certain destination, bison could not react towards the laser at all and could only see the laser at the last second before it hits him. We cannot assume bison was going anywhere near the speed of the laser and he definitely did not "intercept" the laser he was caught in it like a man getting coincidently hit by a car? Except the laser was intentionally placed to hit bison and bison could not react or do anything once the laser reached him.

Reason 3: the third reason is more like icing on the cake but a solid and final reason why the calc is wrong. The feat is noncanon. How is it noncanon well according to several articles on street fighters timeline and the street fighter wikia. The feat is one of several noncanon endings in the alpha 3 games. This was chun lis ending and in chun lis ending Charles does not dies and the shadaloo base is not destroyed(the canon timeline is Charles sacrifices himself to try to kill bison and succeeds, but bisons soul takes over rose and his scientist find him and begins resurrecting him and so on, etc). This ending is not part of the official timeline in the alpha 3 storyline (theirs multiple endings with bisons death as well) only a few endings were considered canon because capcom like to nitpick it's stories.

Even if everything I explained to you was wrong. You can't deny the fact that this ending was noncanon and with everything I prove to you proves that M.bison and the SF characters scaled to him must have their speed downgraded to whatever we had for them before. I have talked with several afficiandos on SF like myself and they agreed with my proposition after presenting what I have shown here comment down below to get the support to get this accepted. Any questions you may have and I will answer this.
 
I also find it odd that the distance for satelite to Earth is used despite the beam not actually coming from a Satelite at all. Supported.
 
I suppose that this seems to make sense, but it presents us with some problems:

Which characters are currently scaled from Bison's speed feat, and do we have to place them all at unknown, or do we have something else to scale them by?
 
Right now it seems that pretty much all SF characters are scaled to M. Bison, i believe. I don't recall another feat of them that won't put them at Unknown. There might be but that's because i really can't recall another one, that's why.
 
Everyone except top tier SF like Akuma and Oro scaled to bison. Also this brings up a new question does this make Akumas speed feat an outlier? Since no one in street fighter scales close to the feat anymore
 
I think that we can keep Akuma's speed feat, but I would appreciate if the readers of this thread could check for other Street Fighter speed feat calculations.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that we can keep Akuma's speed feat, but I would appreciate if the readers of this thread could check for other Street Fighter speed feat calculations.
I can agree with this for now, but I'm still suspicious about it the man scaled it to his other lesser techniques when it's an ultimate move, plus I read the comments on the NF thread and some believe it to be an outlier. Sure you could argue Akuma is the God tier of street fighter but still such a huge gap in speed seems very odd.im going to get someone to review the calc but I claim it's an outlier and I will see if I can prove it but for now I can agree to leave it but his speed should only scale to top tiers like Oro and maybe evil ryu but not final bison because Austrian said he wouldn't scale to him
 
@All Well, it doesn't sit right with me to leave so many profiles with Unknown ratings, but I suppose that we have no choice.

I would prefer if somebody can find other Street Fighter speed calculations to scale from though.

@Grudgeman I do not think that content revision threads follow the 7 votes rules for versus threads. We simply try to evaluate the arguments, and if enough staff members agree, we accept the change.
 
@Ant alright I will try to find proper speed feats for them and ask other afficiandos as well.

@Ant also what do you mean I'm not understanding that last part well. Isn't content revision threads just where staff and other members talk about a feat and see if it's accurate or not? I'm a little confused
 
Don't know. I think the majority of the number of people have to be from the staff but we never had a specific rule of how many needs to agree or disagree on content threads so.......yeah. @Grudge
 
Well we have one burecraut approval, two admin approvals and one of those is a respected calc member. And about three members agreeing does this qualify?
 
(Me: *makes hand wave motion*).

Mmm give it a little more. Maybe 2 or 3 more votes just to be safe.
 
Speed Gaps in Street Fighter doesn't seem to be as large as strength gaps.

Akuma's feat should scale to anyone noteworthy, even if they would be slower.

if nothing else, Ryu has shown casual Supersonic movement in anime and the like. I suppose all fighters should be at least Supersonic, with the exception of Dan and Sean.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Speed Gaps in Street Fighter doesn't seem to be as large as strength gaps.

Akuma's feat should scale to anyone noteworthy, even if they would be slower.

if nothing else, Ryu has shown casual Supersonic movement in anime and the like. I suppose all fighters should be at least Supersonic, with the exception of Dan and Sean.
That's why I propose only Oro,Akuma and maybe evil ryu(I'm not sure how much stronger he is to Akuma.) but everyone else needs to be like you said at least supersonic. However Akumas speed feat seems a little funky and will get that checked in the future but for now I want to deal with this.
 
No, you misunderstood me.

I do think people like Base Ryu and the like should scale to Akuma's feat.

Base Ryu has fought Akuma in Alpha 2, and while inferior, the series never wrote the later as impossibly fast for Ryu.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
No, you misunderstood me.

I do think people like Base Ryu and the like should scale to Akuma's feat.

Base Ryu has fought Akuma in Alpha 2, and while inferior, the series never wrote the later as impossibly fast for Ryu.
Okay that makes sense but Oro should stay maybe make him at least MHS since he and Akuma are on even terms.also base ryu doesn't seem to since this was Akuma testing him and I believe not trying and he did not perform his speed feat at the time. Which was his brand new perfected ultimate move. Also if I remember correctly base Akuma is considered slow in the game mechanics and the street fighter wiki cause he's holding back with most opponent including ryu
 
Also no one should scale to Akuma except Oro and gouken since they actually fought on equal terms. No one has even given Akuma a proper match except gouken and Oro. Akuma always mocks Ryu for not giving into the hado and giving him a proper match. Evil ryu could scale to Akuma but only when he goes into the evil ryu form
 
well gouken fought base akuma oro beat shin akuma so there is that sort of
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
well gouken fought base akuma oro beat shin akuma so there is that sort of
And if I remember that was an imperfect Akuma cause when they had a rematch gouken was destroyed so he might not even scale to him possibly. Was Oro holding back or no?

Edit:Oro and Akuma are tied according to the SF wiki
 
@Matthew Schroeder I think that this seems reasonable. Do you want to handle adjusting the Street Fighter character speeds?
 
Antvasima said:
@Matthew Schroeder I think that this seems reasonable. Do you want to handle adjusting the Street Fighter character speeds?
Hold on I agree every character except Oro and Akuma and maybe gouken should be supersonic but I disagree with ryu being scaled to Akuma at least base ryu. What do you think
 
Well, unless Akuma was shown as overwhelmingly swifter than other Street Fighter characters, I suppose that "At least High Hypersonic+. Possibly Massively Hypersonic (Not extremely slower than Akuma)" might be acceptable. But I am not certain.
 
Hmmm I can agree with that but like I said I don't believe any character except Oro scales to Akumas (for now) accepted speed since he holds back on everyone he fights except them and maybe gen could scale(if I recall Akuma admitted tied he could have one if he was not sick). I'm still fuzzy on Akumas speed since he wasent considered fast in base form. Now shin Akuma though he is much faster than base form that's what he gains in the game: he moves faster and can shoot two gohadokens at once. For now I agree with ants proposal
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I could possibly talk with Vivi about this on Skype, he has a lot of knowledge on fighting games.
Matt I'm a little confused on your standing can you explain where you stand on this thread
 
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