Steven Universe 7-A"+" Problem

[Damage3245]

@Paulo; I agree that Garnet doesn't get 'At least Mountain level+' by scaling from her.

 

[Antvasima]

Calaca is correct regarding our standard conventions. For situations like this we should preferably use "At least..." instead of + signs.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, can the "+" be removed?

 

[Antvasima]

According to our rules, the + signs should preferably be changed to "At least" instead, but two administrators and a bureaucrat disagree, so I cannot just overrule them. I don't have the authority to do that. We have to try to come to an agreement.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So it looks like we agree that Topaz needs to be downgraded?

No, smoky needs to be downgraded, shes 7-A+ Via multipliers

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Calaca is correct regarding our standard conventions. For situations like this we should preferably use "At least..." instead of + signs.

In this case the + Is fine as there is an in-verse multiplier that backs the rating

 

[Damage3245]

@WeeklyBattles; did you find any feats of Ruby (Eyeball) hurting other Rubies?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

In Sapphire's flashback recalling when she and ruby first met

 

[Damage3245]

Might just be me but this looks like pretty weak evidence for scaling each Ruby's Attack Potency to Mountain level if all we've got to go off is them playfully punching each other.

For this to be the basis of scaling multiple characters to 7-A and 7-A+, I'd prefer something more convincing.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

We're using little playful punches as evidence now? By that logic, Sapphire would be 7-A via bumping into Ruby.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, given that this is a borderline case, I don't feel strongly about it, but I still prefer if we stick to our standard conventions.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Garnet's precognition is one of the most inconsistent abiltiies ever though. It literally only works when the plot demands it.

I've yet to see a single precog in all of fiction be treated as absolute so this isn't a good argument.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Diavolo, Sakunosuke Oda, the Serial Bomber from Kara no Kyoukai

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

It is a good argument when her Precognition wasn't mentioned at any point in the scene in question.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There's also Eyeball nearly killing Steven

 

[Damage3245]

That'd be circular reasoning, as Steven gets his rating directly from Eyeball in the first place.

(Also debateable, since intent to kill/harm someone does not necessarily equal proof of scaling).

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Did Steven ever harm Eyeball? I actually don't remember.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, Steven harmed eyeball and nearly shattered her with a misplaced attack

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That'd be circular reasoning, as Steven gets his rating directly from Eyeball in the first place.

(Also debateable, since intent to kill/harm someone does not necessarily equal proof of scaling).

Eyeball wrestled steven to the ground and was a split second from stabbing him to death and had Steven not popped the bubble they were in she would have

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eyeball has the dura feat, Steven can harm Eyeball, and Eyeball can harm Steven

 

[Damage3245]

@WeeklyBattles; can you link me Steven harming Eyeball? I don't remember that.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yes, Steven harmed eyeball and nearly shattered her with a misplaced attack

You mean the crack in her Gem that he had to heal? That was from an asteroid.

 

[Antvasima]

I will unsubscribe to this thread due to time constraints. You can send me a message later if you need my help.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Was it an asteroid? Huh, guess i misremembered

Steven still harmed Eyeball though, and is equal to amethyst

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

7-A asteroid.

 

[Damage3245]

@WeeklyBattles, can you link Steven harming Eyeball?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Dont really need to, Steven matching Amethyst in combat is a vastly more impressive feat

 

[Damage3245]

@WeeklyBattles; then his profile should be updated to reflect that.

And besides, that still doesn't get around the issue that Eyeball never actually harmed Steven if she wanted to. We're going to make all these characters 7-A and 7-A+ because Eyeball wanted to hurt Steven?

And scaling to Amethyst also doesn't really work here because that's still circular reasoning, the circle being:

Ruby -> Steven -> Amethyst -> Garnet -> Ruby.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Agreed, it should

She didnt just want to hurt him, she physically wrestled him to the ground

Also youre using the wrong version of Steven here, the version of Steven that fought Ruby doesnt scale to Garnet

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

None of his keys scale to Garnet. One of them scales to Topaz tho.

 

[The_Calaca]

Wrestling him to the ground is more of a LS feat. If she didn't harm him in any way, she shouldn't scale.

But to be honest, we need to get the whole scaling together because it's becoming even more confusing.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Calca She did harm him, and if steven had not thrown her into space by popping his bubble she would have stabbed him to death, something he flat out acknowledges

Its really not confusing at all lol

 

[The_Calaca]

It is probably not, but your constant changes of it makes it nearly impossible to catch up to me who haven't seen the series.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Constant changes

Ive made all of one change thus far and its minor and doesnt even affect what we're talking about

 

[The_Calaca]

You were changing the argument to the point where Garnet was first scaling to 317MT and now to 548MT, going through a lot of posts with the same arguments here and in the thread that originated this.

It's not a minor change even if it's just one.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I never argued that she scaled solely to 317 MT, that was Paulo

 

[The_Calaca]

"Garnet views Gems that can tank and dish out 274 megatons as powerless, can oneshot Pearl who can oneshot the 274 megaton gems and views a ship capable of dishing out and taking 317 megatons as fragile, and is equal to Jasper, who tanked the core of a ship immensely more powerful than the ancient, non-combat ship at point blank range with little damage"

Proof that the SU scaling is a mess is that you didn't notice the fusion argument until I create the thread. That and some arguments that people brought up to put the scaling in doubt considering the amount of circular scaling going around.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

We've been using the fusion argument for years, ever since fusion was revealed and explained in season 1 of the show...

There is no circular scaling that would discredit any tiers in this verse that cant be summed up as a minor error that is easily removed

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Weekly's not wrong there.