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Yeah, but that's one way. Steve has much more deadlier ways to kill Midoriya.GoCommitDi said:
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Steve fights Izuku Midoriya
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Yeah, but that's one way. Steve has much more deadlier ways to kill Midoriya.
Such as throw potions that Midoriya can dodge due to his travel speed, shoot arrows that can be dodged as well, plant tnt that has a start time along with being a very obvious attack and again Steve's opponents amount to barely sentient creatures that have predictable attack patterns which include walk into him and explode, walk into him and swing your arms, teleport behind him and swing your arms etc while Deku fights people with actual combat experience and training
Such as throw potions that Midoriya can dodge due to his travel speed, shoot arrows that can be dodged as well, plant tnt that has a start time along with being a very obvious attack and again Steve's opponents amount to barely sentient creatures that have predictable attack patterns which include walk into him and explode, walk into him and swing your arms, teleport behind him and swing your arms etc while Deku fights people with actual combat experience and training
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Plus, Steve has the way better advantage in offense since he can literally instant-kill Midoriya with a Decay Potion and a Lava Bucket so Midoriya's durability won't even matter. Midoriya is bound to try and hit him with a direct attack which Steve could easily exploit by using either of the two. Steve also has the greater advantage in arsenal which I gave a massive explanation to, quite a lot earlier actually, since he can use potions to buff himself and potions to weaken Midoriya. He can also use his Shield to make Midoriya's attacks do little damage to him, since he takes little damage to a borderline High 8-C non-charged Creeper explosion (I don't get how a Charged Creeper's AP is only building level, it should be high building level tbh) without armour and he can also tank hits from an Iron Golem without armour with it. Plus, when did Midoriya tank someone with the greater AP than him? Can I have a source please? Speed is equalised and Midoriya will be able to move better regardless of that, but swiftness is not everything. Just because he is more experienced with how he fights, doesn't mean he can be more durable and resistant to Steve's greater offensive and arsenal advantages. There's a saying: "Speed isn't everything." and it would be the same for Midoriya's movement skills.
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Such as throw potions that Midoriya can dodge due to his travel speed, shoot arrows that can be dodged as well, plant tnt that has a start time along with being a very obvious attack and again Steve's opponents amount to barely sentient creatures that have predictable attack patterns which include walk into him and explode, walk into him and swing your arms, teleport behind him and swing your arms etc while Deku fights people with actual combat experience and trainingInsert creative name here 12 said:
Lmao, you actually use Steve's TNT as an unironic point! xD Not only that blocks are excluded from Steve's inventory, but he's not going to do it when he can use other way better ways to kill Midoriya. Also, SPEED IS EQUALISED. You can't say that Midoriya's travel speed will make him avoid everything because it is equalised. Steve runs, Midoriya runs, they are both running at the same speed. What part of that do you not understand?
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Again Deku can very easily cover at least 7 meters by jumping once while injured and at 5% your potion argument is invalid due to Midoriya easily getting out of the way also decay isn't an insta kill it wears off after a couple of seconds.
His shield not only has limited dura but only covers the direction he's facing and as Deku is a very agile opponent the shield doesn't mean much and even then it'll break eventually since Deku
A normal Creeper is building level don't bring in your head canon to say it's high-8C when even a charged explosion is only 1.69 tons while Midoriya is above that since he's borderline high-8C
Deku tanked hits from LM Gentle who is high-8C due to clearly being superior to Deku's AP
Deku has superior speed and skill he also has superior AP and Dura until you can debunk my points I'll keep stating them
Also Steve has a larger arsenal but he's still inferior in almost every category since mid game Steve is 8C and since game mechanics aren't factored in Deku's AP is about 2.5 times greater than mid game Steve's dura which at best scales to 0.77 tons
His shield not only has limited dura but only covers the direction he's facing and as Deku is a very agile opponent the shield doesn't mean much and even then it'll break eventually since Deku
A normal Creeper is building level don't bring in your head canon to say it's high-8C when even a charged explosion is only 1.69 tons while Midoriya is above that since he's borderline high-8C
Deku tanked hits from LM Gentle who is high-8C due to clearly being superior to Deku's AP
Deku has superior speed and skill he also has superior AP and Dura until you can debunk my points I'll keep stating them
Also Steve has a larger arsenal but he's still inferior in almost every category since mid game Steve is 8C and since game mechanics aren't factored in Deku's AP is about 2.5 times greater than mid game Steve's dura which at best scales to 0.77 tons
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Yeah, but that's one way. Steve has much more deadlier ways to kill Midoriya. Such as throw potions that Midoriya can dodge due to his travel speed, shoot arrows that can be dodged as well, plant tnt that has a start time along with being a very obvious attack and again Steve's opponents amount to barely sentient creatures that have predictable attack patterns which include walk into him and explode, walk into him and swing your arms, teleport behind him and swing your arms etc while Deku fights people with actual combat experience and training
Lmao, you actually use Steve's TNT as an unironic point! xD Not only that blocks are excluded from Steve's inventory, but he's not going to do it when he can use other way better ways to kill Midoriya. Also, SPEED IS EQUALISED. You can't say that Midoriya's travel speed will make him avoid everything because it is equalised. Steve runs, Midoriya runs, they are both running at the same speed. What part of that do you not understand?
Speed equalised is combat speed so it isn't a stomp
Lmao, you actually use Steve's TNT as an unironic point! xD Not only that blocks are excluded from Steve's inventory, but he's not going to do it when he can use other way better ways to kill Midoriya. Also, SPEED IS EQUALISED. You can't say that Midoriya's travel speed will make him avoid everything because it is equalised. Steve runs, Midoriya runs, they are both running at the same speed. What part of that do you not understand?
Speed equalised is combat speed so it isn't a stomp
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Oh wow, what you said is true then, because in the Versus Threat Rules, it says that... Wow, so Midoriya speed stomps then, since he can go faster than supersonic at 8% and Steve can only run at normal human speeds, so this is a stomp unless Phoenks changes it so all of Midoriya's speed is equalised against Steve, but will that even be allowed let alone even work?
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I think it's allowed I saw a thread like that but I don't think it was added
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Hmm... Maybe a staff member could answer this for us?
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So like Therfir or Damage?
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If it leads to a speedblitz, its not allowed
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Wait if equalising speed leads to the slower character blitzing it isn't allowed?
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So what you are saying is that it's not allowed if you equalise speed that is not combat speed?
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Im....confused, what is being debated here?
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Deku vs Steve part of my argument is that Deku has higher travel speed and it isn't equalised since combat speed is what's equalised
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Speed Equalization equalizes everything thoInsert creative name here 12 said:
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So if one character gets around by jumping with super strength and the other does not what does speed equalisation do?
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They get the same jumping speed
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But one is based on physical strength tho
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Yes, the one with physical strength will jump higherInsert creative name here 12 said:
But the speed is the same
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Ok so they move at the same speed but in the event they jump horizontally like a dash kind of the stronger one covers more ground
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Yeah, it's pretty weird, which means Deku jumping high in the air would be normal human speed. I think it also equalises attacking speed techniques as well, so a bullet being fired from a gun would be normal human speed as well if the person with the gun was fighting someone who was normal human speed. I don't really like the idea of it at all, but it can work, I guess...
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Now I realise why people hate speed equalisation it's wonky as heck
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No, if there are two normal humans fighting and one has a gun, the bullet will have the speed of a normal bullet
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So what if it's an arrow will it still travel at normal speeds while the two characters are at normal human speeds in fact what dictates the speeds they move at because in one case if Steve is equal to Deku's supersonic speeds the arrow in meaningless but if they're like subsonic like Steve that gives Steve the advantageOblivion Of The Endless said:
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Ah, that's interesting!Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Maybe this can be included in the speed equalisation rules to prevent inconveniences like this?
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I agree it should included in the rules I'm sorry but those rules need to go a bit more in depth
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Its weird. Projectile speed are equalized too but a bullet from a gun its not iirc. I dont know how it exactly works, better ask Staff about it
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Yeah wonky as heck
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So potentially Midoriya's projectile OFA attacks will just be normal human speed?!?
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3495781Oblivion Of The Endless said:
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Ok, makes sense now
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So an arrow from a bow moves at the same speeds the character's do but a bullet from a gun doesn't
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So a bullet from a gun is not affected but an arrow from a bow is? That doesn't make any sense.
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That's what I'm trying to say also does he projectile have to come from a device for it to not be equalised
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Who said that? The arrow would still be faster
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So the arrow would still be the normal speed of an arrow? So in this debate the arrow either gives Steve a decent advantage or is irrelevant depending on which character's speed we're equalising them to?
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YesInsert creative name here 12 said:
