Steampunk ~What a Beautiful Discussion Thread~ The New Era

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Demonbane and Steampunk being canon to each other mean a Cosmology Blog here needs to be made along with an explanation of shared concepts/mechanics (eg. Magic in Demonbane is manipulating information, etc). I reckon every major WAB character will get smurf haxes and resistances with the Outer Gods AZTT, Yog-Sothoth, M and Edison hitting High 1-A.

So from my understanding, Demobane's multiverse was destroyed, and recreated, and this recreated multiverse essentially is the Steampunck verse now?

Makes my head spin, idk what Azathoth is in Demonbane, but in Steampunck right now there is none, and Lily is heavily hinted at becoming Azathoth in the future.

 

[RM97]

So from my understanding, Demobane's multiverse was destroyed, and recreated, and this recreated multiverse essentially is the Steampunck verse now?

More like Steampunk is part of the new recreated Multiverse(s).

Makes my head spin, idk what Azathoth is in Demonbane, but in Steampunck right now there is none, and Lily is heavily hinted at becoming Azathoth in the future.

As of DYN, Azana Hatsumi was the Azathoth. Though from what Mugen once told me Azana is dead currently because of Dead End Demonbane.
Unrelated bc Steampunk Azathoth's fragment is called "Golden Eye" while Demonbane Azathoth is called "Twilight Gold".

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

So from my understanding, Demobane's multiverse was destroyed, and recreated, and this recreated multiverse essentially is the Steampunck verse now?

Makes my head spin, idk what Azathoth is in Demonbane, but in Steampunck right now there is none, and Lily is heavily hinted at becoming Azathoth in the future.

Steampunk verse escaped of the wave of destruction caused by Dead End/Vortex Blaster, while all universes of Demonbane Mythos have been destroyed, the current existing universe is a patchwork universe formed by fragments of the destroyed multiverse. To put it simply, just think of it as 2 separated universes but in the same cosmology and canonicity. (Steampunk verse is still being influenced by Dead End's corruption, however).

More like Steampunk is part of the new recreated Multiverse(s).


As of DYN, Azana Hatsumi was the Azathoth. Though from what Mugen once told me Azana is dead currently because of Dead End Demonbane.
Unrelated bc Steampunk Azathoth's fragment is called "Golden Eye" while Demonbane Azathoth is called "Twilight Gold".

Azana is only a temporary substitute of Azathoth though, she was there to fill the seat and that's about it. Boku IS the genuine Azathoth since they are his reincarnation.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

The 2nd Demonbane Fanzin book has involvement from Sakurai as well, she did write the premise of the book.
So yes, can we finally accept Steampunk and Demonbane as one now?

How to continue your series without actually doing much of it for years 101.

That does sound like something Sakurai would do lol.

Well if Sakurai DID take part in writing the Fanzin 2's premise...

Demonbane and Steampunk being canon to each other mean a Cosmology Blog here needs to be made along with an explanation of shared concepts/mechanics (eg. Magic in Demonbane is manipulating information, etc). I reckon every major WAB character will get smurf haxes and resistances with the Outer Gods AZTT, Yog-Sothoth, M and Edison hitting High 1-A.

Plus this on doubling down on the characters and such Jin wrote for Steampunk and used back for Demonbane, that would be settled down on making a potential Steampunk cosmology page.

I still have to review back a couple of books I got, but I pretty much know most of what's known here and there of Steampunk. It's just connecting Demonbane to it that would be slightly tricky ^^;

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

My thing basically is how exactly do we scale these different cosmology together.

They are connected, but how does all this relate to the actual cosmology/God tiers of Steampunck.

Right now I am still thinking it's just a neat thing, until there is a direct statement like Demonbane Nyar=Steampunk Nyar.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

My thing basically is how exactly do we scale these different cosmology together.

They are connected, but how does all this relate to the actual cosmology/God tiers of Steampunck.

Right now I am still thinking it's just a neat thing, until there is a direct statement like Demonbane Nyar=Steampunk Nyar.

Good question

 

[RM97]

My thing basically is how exactly do we scale these different cosmology together.

They are connected, but how does all this relate to the actual cosmology/God tiers of Steampunck.

Right now I am still thinking it's just a neat thing, until there is a direct statement like Demonbane Nyar=Steampunk Nyar.

Mechanics and Gods.

For example, in Demonbane, Information is the fundamental aspect of reality or the world which composes the systems or laws that shape the world/universe and Magic is the art which can be used to manipulate the information. Information is also a quintessential aspect of "Magic Power" which is the fundamental element of any system and which comes from the void itself. It is known as Ether and Mana, but it is commonly referred to in the verse as Azathoth. This Azathoth is also called the Causal Particle and they can be compressed into information to create new spells and manipulating existing programs/systems.
Therefore, everyone in Steampunk who manipulates Information will possibly have a bunch of additional haxes such as Magic and Causality Manipulation (Among others)

Another example, in Demonbane, The "Court of Azathoth" or the "Universe of the Demon Gods" is the True Original Universe where all the Demon Gods such as the "Outer Gods" and the "Great Old Ones" existed and where they were sealed by the Shining Trapezohedron. This "Court of Azathoth" is literally "Chaos". In fact, Chaos (also called Sea of Chaos/Boiling Soup of Chaos) is the Primordial Void and the source of all things in Existence (and Non-Existence). Moreover, Chaos is the True Infinity and it is the very essence of Nyarlathotep as well as being the Court of Azathoth – the True Universe of Evil Outer Gods.
As I said above, this Chaos will likely be High 1-A in the tiering system, and thus, all the Outer Gods such as M, Edison, etc will all be High 1-A since they are just different facets of Nyarlathotep (In Demonbane, Nyarlathotep also has different facets as Nyar, Father Ny, Clockwork Phantom, Ultrathotep, Thousand Faces, etc).

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea I am still not convinced.

Until the series start addressing these connections, explaining how they work, I don't think we should be making these connections for it. Demonbane has it's own logic, and Steampunck has it's own, of course we have seen they are connected now, but how exactly does this all work now in practice? Just speculation imo.

Sidenote Cracking already has causality manipulation btw. To what I was saying though about the power systems, Cracking is the major system in Steampunck, while Magic apparently is for Demonbane, Cracking is said to have magic like affects, but magic isn't (from all I have read) an actual thing Steampunck people use.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

The way I see it from how Mugen puts it:

Basically, DMB Series had some sort of multiversal destruction event that wrecked their worlds and whatever remained in any sort of capacity and structure came together to form the "Patchwork Universe". Only a couple seem to have escaped this event largely unscatched like Sakurai's Steampunk Series (though it's "infected" by this Dead-End's corruption but other than that, WAB Series is still intact and working on its own structure).

This means Steampunk, while a part of the DMB series due to sharing same characters and setting elements like Bronze, Fu Manchuu, Akushinkage and K'n Yan, it's otherwise its own thing separate from whatever is going on nowadays with DMB.

I do recall Mugen saying that there even exists things like Critters in DMB, and I have seen Hagenaya Jin's tweets about them before + that tweet where he explains how Akushin's ninja's liaodan is meant to be used against Critter Voice's but there's not much detail from that from what I recall altogether.

 

[RM97]

Yea I am still not convinced.

Until the series start addressing these connections, explaining how they work, I don't think we should be making these connections for it. Demonbane has it's own logic, and Steampunck has it's own, of course we have seen they are connected now, but how exactly does this all work now in practice? Just speculation imo.

Sidenote Cracking already has causality manipulation btw. To what I was saying though about the power systems, Cracking is the major system in Steampunck, while Magic apparently is for Demonbane, Cracking is said to have magic like affects, but magic isn't (from all I have read) an actual thing Steampunck people use.

What do you specifically mean by "how they work"? Obviously, they're two different Multiverses which are part of the same verse given that we have locations and characters crossing over (as explained by Mugen and Qlipoth) and even have similar mechanics (Cracking Users and Magic Users being the same) and similar Hierarchy/Lore of Lovecraftian Gods. The only counter argument for this connection between them that I can think of is that Liar-Soft having the IP rights to WAB and Nitroplus for Demobane, and thus, without a direct Crossover VN/Novel/Media we cannot say they're part of the same verse.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

You just explained, it's different multiverses that are crossing over.

To assume that M is High 1-A for example because in Demonbane Outergods are High 1-A is a major assumption.

Cracking and magic have some similarities, but they aren't the same, the hierarchy in Steampunck is nowhere as expansive as Demonbane.

My issue is going from characters appearing in both series, to upgrading 1 series based off the other.

Of course I want High 1-A M, but I don't think the evidence is there atm. We need interaction between these different cosmologies ie Cracking being compared to Demonbane magic, M interacting with Demonbane Nyar, and saying they are the same etc.

 

[RM97]

You just explained, it's different multiverses that are crossing over.

To assume that M is High 1-A for example because in Demonbane Outergods are High 1-A is a major assumption.

Cracking and magic have some similarities, but they aren't the same, the hierarchy in Steampunck is nowhere as expansive as Demonbane.

My issue is going from characters appearing in both series, to upgrading 1 series based off the other.

Of course I want High 1-A M, but I don't think the evidence is there atm. We need interaction between these different cosmologies ie Cracking being compared to Demonbane magic, M interacting with Demonbane Nyar, and saying they are the same etc.

That is a valid concern, and it would be ideal to have a direct crossover between them. But what I am saying is that based on what is given so far, it is possible to deduce that Steampunk verse is just part of the Demonbane verse as a whole. It is not like a Shonen Jump crossover like One-Piece x DBZ crossover where two different verses crossed over for a random one-time thing as a special event. It is just that Steampunk is a Multiverse but a part of Demonbane's verse. So Steampunk not having a similarly high cosmology like Demonbane is a non-factor here since Steampunk so far only focused on the relevant worlds to it. It did not go beyond what is needed as there was no need for it.

M being High 1-A is will not be a major assumption either. Nyarlathotep and all its facets (Nyar, Father Ny, Clockwork Phantom, Howler, Haunter, Ultrathotep, Thousand Heads, etc.) are High 1-A in Demonbane because Nyarlathotep is part of the Chaos that exists at the top of the cosmological hierarchy. We know that M and Edison too are simply facets of Nyarlathotep and their true form is Chaos itself which exists beyond Space and Time and Causality. So they would also scale as being aspects of Nyarlathotep since Chaos is their true form/power source.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Another example, in Demonbane, The "Court of Azathoth" or the "Universe of the Demon Gods" is the True Original Universe where all the Demon Gods such as the "Outer Gods" and the "Great Old Ones" existed and where they were sealed by the Shining Trapezohedron. This "Court of Azathoth" is literally "Chaos". In fact, Chaos (also called Sea of Chaos/Boiling Soup of Chaos) is the Primordial Void and the source of all things in Existence (and Non-Existence). Moreover, Chaos is the True Infinity and it is the very essence of Nyarlathotep as well as being the Court of Azathoth – the True Universe of Evil Outer Gods.

This was posted above, in Steampunck, this chaos is Sharnoth, and nothing existed there except for M, and at some point in the past, the Old ones who he let it, they weren't sealed, and also A.Z.Z.T in the past.

The 2 don't match up, nothing proves Steampunck Nyar is the same as Demonbane Nyar, and as I stated before the true A.Z.Z.T doesn't exist anymore, but clearly Lily will become it in the future, meanwhile Azathoth in Demonbane is someone name Kudo?

We have to acknowledge differences do exist, and until it's all connected and explained, I am opposed to major upgrades like High 1-A l, as much as I would like to see that happen.

 

[RM97]

This was posted above, in Steampunck, this chaos is Sharnoth, and nothing existed there except for M, and at some point in the past, the Old ones who he let it, they weren't sealed, and also A.Z.Z.T in the past.

This is not even a contradiction owing to the fact that Dead End Demonbane destroyed Chaos/Court of Azathoth along with all the Gods before the Cosmos were remade. So Steampunk being part of the recreated cosmos will obviously have a different history of Chaos such as Old Ones not being Sealed etc etc. Even then, Sharnoth/Chaos is where everything exists and doesn't exist simultaneously, similar to the Chaos of Demonbane. There is also the fact that there are other Seas of Chaos in Demonbane with the same description even though it is not the Court of Azathoth/True Chaos. Kind of like a lower level of Chaos than the true/original thing. So hardly any contradiction

The 2 don't match up, nothing proves Steampunck Nyar is the same as Demonbane Nyar, and as I stated before the true A.Z.Z.T doesn't exist anymore, but clearly Lily will become it in the future, meanwhile Azathoth in Demonbane is someone name Kudo?

Azana is only a temporary substitute of Azathoth though, she was there to fill the seat and that's about it. Boku IS the genuine Azathoth since they are his reincarnation.

Azathoth also didn't exist in the newly recreated Multiverse until Azana Hatsumi became the Azathoth in DYN Freaks, and then got destroyed(?). So Lily becoming AZZT will not be a contradiction either since Lily could simply be a temporary substitute. There is also the argument of Avatars/Facets. Given that an Outer God like Nyarlathotep is not a single individual entity but exists as M, Edison, etc in Steampunk and as Nyar, Father Ny, Clockwork Phantom, Thousand Faces, Sphinx, Ultrathotep, etc in Demonbane. So Azathoth having different facets such as AZZT in the form of Lily in Steampunk and Boku in Demonbane as a whole wouldn't be a contradiction either.

All in all, the contradictions can be explained but what is required is a solid proof like a direct crossover series or official confirmation from Liar-Soft and/or Nitroplus that they are taking place in the same verse.

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

....

Correction: The name is "Ultharathotep".
https://kadath.fandom.com/wiki/Ulthar_(Elder_God)
Azana didn't "become" Azathoth though, she was just a Majin who possessed the power of Azathoth and that's it.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

At this point, I'd also take Hagenaya doing an entry of Steampunk but it takes place in their series to connect it some more.

Sakurai hasn't been doing much if at all with their series aside from drama CD that IK nothing about, and they're busy with Fate.

Unless they're setting up for a return, I could just as see Hagenaya adding more to Steampunk seeing as he's got somewhat of a hand on it + his cosmology including Steampunk's to his. Then again, there is the whole IP thing and rights going on and despite Nitro+ and Liarsoft collabing together before like through Karashrer's publication, there isn't really much else to do about this except acknowledging they're (Steampunk) is apart of DMB.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Honestly I feel like we can focus on the demonbane scaling later after we can establish if WAB is 1-A on its own. Since it needs a WHOLE other cosmology to put into a different perspective so it will be a lot to digest.

Makes my head spin, idk what Azathoth is in Demonbane, but in Steampunck right now there is none, and Lily is heavily hinted at becoming Azathoth in the future.

From DYN freaks i vaguely remember the girl was Azathoth and all. For Steampunk iirc Azathoth is split with the moon being her biggest piece. Lily is more accurately stated to be the closest to Azathoth with those having the golden eyes are fragments albietly very small. So she does exist just split into god knows how many parts lolz.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Honestly I feel like we can focus on the demonbane scaling later after we can establish if WAB is 1-A on its own. Since it needs a WHOLE other cosmology to put into a different perspective so it will be a lot to digest.

True enough.

From DYN freaks i vaguely remember the girl was Azathoth and all. For Steampunk iirc Azathoth is split with the moon being her biggest piece. Lily is more accurately stated to be the closest to Azathoth with those having the golden eyes are fragments albietly very small. So she does exist just split into god knows how many parts lolz.

Azana, yes. Though from what's been said, Azana merely served as a temporary substitute for DMB's multiverse (or at least whatever DYN Freaks covers). There's someone else that serves as the True Azathoth or smth.

Steampunk's Azathoth is pretty different, being a Goddess and Ruler of Outer Gods that got shattered for whatever reason and they're in pieces, with the largest piece being the moon of Kadath (and Kadath's so big that just the known or unknown part of Kadath alone already has 4 or 5 times the surface area of Seikyo or Earth). Lily has a potential connection to Azathoth that could only affirmed or at least more better observed if she had the Golden Eyes. And yeah, Golden Eyes as we see in various chars throughout the series like Ati, Elysia, Neon, Mary, etc.

That aside, the Azathoth in Steampunk does seem to fit the motif known about the IRL Cthulhu Mythos Azathoth such as being the Ruler of Outer Gods, seats at the very core or nucleus of the universe, and is even said to not only see all creation but even dreamt it, with M being their Knight/Representative. Other than that and some stuff about the Elysian Gods, that's about it.

 

[Mycroft_er]

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Can you translate this? I found it in the Sona-Nyl novel book. This text has not been translated and doesn't appear in the EX Scenario either. It seems to be a note from Thoth Hybris Rom (Althotas Thoth Hermes?).

Spoiler

Also, I'm really looking forward to Ulthar Thoughts coming back to the blog. I haven't read it all yet lol

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Can you translate this? I found it in the Sona-Nyl novel book. This text has not been translated and doesn't appear in the EX Scenario either. It seems to be a note from Thoth Hybris Rom (Althotas Thoth Hermes?).

Spoiler

Also, I'm really looking forward to Ulthar Thoughts coming back to the blog. I haven't read it all yet lol

Oh yeah, I got this book lol.

I just never translated it cuz never figured to do it.

And yeah, IK xD

A sneak pteaser of what the full story of Ulthar could have been.

Sakurai, PLZ COME BACK TO STEAMPUNK!!!

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Curious what is said there, is it about Lily?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Sona Nyl Novelbook: Backpage Bonus Passage

motivationaltranslations.blogspot.com

Donezo.

And I needed this, thanks!

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So Thoth's has golden eyes which are connected to Kadath's Moon (The Oblivion Golden Eyes), which is why he can see things across time and space.

Pretty much cosmic awareness there, also first time anyone beside Mary has shown golden eye feats this impressive.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

So Thoth's has golden eyes which are connected to Kadath's Moon (The Oblivion Golden Eyes), which is why he can see things across time and space.

Pretty much cosmic awareness there, also first time anyone beside Mary has shown golden eye feats this impressive.

Pretty much.

Thoth also said something about going beyond space and time (or across? The kanji used for beyond can mean that too) in relation to Lily but I think that was more so for her Dream Walking ability rather than seeing things (makes sense though since she doesn't have the Golden Eyes herself).

Thoth's usage of the eyes is even more insane since he says his eyes allows him to even "hear things", which probably could also mean his ability to comprehend stuff.

 

[Mycroft_er]

"Teacher" reminds me of Iru. He also has the ability to observe.

Iru appears in Ati's dreams and speaks to her, just like Thoth and Lily.

Someone's here. One person.
No, that's not right. Two people.
No, many many more than that.

I saw a black cat. 「Huh? Could that be......」
I thought, but when I looked closer I could tell I was wrong.
It was a big, big cat. An elderly cat wearing fisherman's garb.

When the elderly cat noticed my gaze, he approached me and said,
「Hello, Ati. I see you've come here once again.」
Again? This is just my dream. Yes, old man, it's my dream.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Observers in Steampunk are some freaky stuff owo

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Went from being hopeful of 1-A Nyar, to being a little doubtful it will happen. Probably will have to wait for the inevitable Demonbane crossover, but lets see how the 1-A thread goes I guess.

We kinda moved past it, but was there anything else interesting to translate in Shining Night?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Eh, I didn't have much hope for Nyars being 1-A. Unless ofc the Outer Gods, Elder Gods (Elysians), and whatnot have some statements we can twist to being it, there's not much else I got to peg them any higher. Either Sakurai comes back to continue the series or Jin just takes over for her while she's still at Type Moon to expand it.

That said, there are some I could think of we could do like there's an episode of Tesla, Walther, and the chars of Shining League having a Shining League group meeting. Then there's one about a call Jo got from Crowley that has an interesting conversation, and Crowley's also another Society member whose popped around in various side mats like the ReBorn Voice short stories and that one Sharnoth magazine story he appeared in.

 

[Mycroft_er]

Just a slice of life in Shining Night, but also information about Iba Hachirou.

Spoiler: Cinema

• Version A (Script)
• Version B (Script)

That said, there are some I could think of we could do like there's an episode of Tesla, Walther, and the chars of Shining League having a Shining League group meeting. Then there's one about a call Jo got from Crowley that has an interesting conversation, and Crowley's also another Society member whose popped around in various side mats like the ReBorn Voice short stories and that one Sharnoth magazine story he appeared in.

I will do them soon.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Just a slice of life in Shining Night, but also information about Iba Hachirou.



I will do them soon.

Slice of life stuff isn't bad.

And hell yeah owo/

 

[Mycroft_er]

Well, I think I'll post the part before Tesla's fight with Cthulhu, just cutting out the H scenes. It'll give us a better understanding of the context.

P/S: Maybe people will find it interesting.

Spoiler

雷の鳳によって力を得たがこそ、
雷電魔人として超越したがこそ、
その手は決して“すべて”には届かない。

そこには、ある種の法則がある。
であるが故に、例えば。
彼がかの混沌都市 (シャッガイ) へ赴くことはできない。

異形都市と呼ばれたインガノックへも、
解放以前であれば、例え《３５年の罠》が
なくとも辿り着くことはできなかったろう。

例題です。

いいえ。
これは例題ではありません。

回答を入力することはできません。
介入は不可能です。

なぜなら、これは、
既に決定された事象だからです。

世界に介入することはできません。
たとえ、世界の敵であっても。

ですから──

或いは──

誰かが、寄り添ったとしても。
意味などない。

すべて。
そう、すべて。​

あらゆるものは

意味を

持たない​

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Well, I think I'll post the part before Tesla's fight with Cthulhu, just cutting out the H scenes. It'll give us a better understanding of the context.

P/S: Maybe people will find it interesting.

Spoiler

Despite having gained power through the Thunder Bird,
despite having transcended into a Thunder Fiend,
his hands could not reach "everything".

There is a certain rule behind it.

For example
Thus, for example, he cannot enter into the Chaotic City (Shaggai).

Even without the 35 Year Trap, it would have been impossible for him to reach Inganock, known as the Fantasy City prior to its liberation.

The second one is part of the pre Tesla vs Wrath King fight. About the whole "intervention can't be done, stuff is determined from the start to end" sort that I already got.

 

[Mycroft_er]

About the whole "intervention can't be done, stuff is determined from the start to end" sort that I already got.

The text was cut off, sorry.

Spoiler: Full text

例題です。

いいえ。
これは例題ではありません。

回答を入力することはできません。
介入は不可能です。

なぜなら、これは、
既に決定された事象だからです。

世界に介入することはできません。
たとえ、世界の敵であっても。

ですから──

或いは──

誰かが、寄り添ったとしても。
意味などない。

すべて。
そう、すべて。

あらゆるものは

意味を

持たない​

It gives me the Tick Tock Man aura.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

The text was cut off, sorry.

It gives me the Tick Tock Man aura.

Ah.

Still.

But true, it does lol.

Yet Tesla said F no to that and did Intervention owo

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Just wanna share something that I've been cookin' for the past few months, hope you guys will enjoy it.

 

[RM97]

Just wanna share something that I've been cookin' for the past few months, hope you guys will enjoy it.

This is really great, good job man.
You got any info from the new fanzin book about the future of Demonbane and perhaps any official crossover with Steampunk verse?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Mechs are pretty awesome.

Just wanna share something that I've been cookin' for the past few months, hope you guys will enjoy it.

Wonder if there's anything new concerning Demonbane getting Steampunk into the fold any further in some way?

From Sakurai praising Jin's work to even doing a premise in one of the Fanzin's, even seemingly having Steampunk a part of DMB if pretty loosely admittedly, it looks more and more like Sakurai's letting Jin take the reigns(?) on doing WAB sorta (even though WAB's still mainly of Liarsoft and Hagenaya Jin's of Nitro+ but I digress).

Doesn't help that Sakurai's also of Type Moon still and ain't budging from there anytime soon also but also digressing from that...

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

In the third book, there's also a character that is the same as the one appeared in Ourai no Gakhthun.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

In the third book, there's also a character that is the same as the one appeared in Ourai no Gakhthun.

Fu Manchuu and Bronze/Bane I assume?

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

Fu Manchuu and Bronze/Bane I assume?

Auguste Dupin the Third