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Star Wars Revision: Darth Plagueis upgrade
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@Repp yeah im with Meme on this one, using something Vitiate can allegedly do is not the best of arguments since he never actually did, would require insane prep to accomplish and would require massive sacrifices for the ritual.
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I was asked to comment here, but do not really know Star Wars lore well enough to perform a good evaluation.
That said, I think that The Everlasting seems to make sense.
The only issue would be the supposed galactic tremor that followed Plagueis' death.
That said, I think that The Everlasting seems to make sense.
The only issue would be the supposed galactic tremor that followed Plagueis' death.
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He is lying about that. That was explicitly the result of Sidious ascending to full power.
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Also a lot of his Anti-Vitiate stuff is meaningless or out of context, it's the equivalent of me trying to say that Sidious is weak by going.
"Lol got beaten by Mace" "Lol failed to kill Luke" "Lol got harmed by a Blaster" "Lol got picked up and thrown by Vader".
Low-End stuff that is meaningless in the face of his actual feats will always be meaningless. The guy whose servants can mind control planetary populations having difficulty to mind control one person is PIS, the end.
"Lol got beaten by Mace" "Lol failed to kill Luke" "Lol got harmed by a Blaster" "Lol got picked up and thrown by Vader".
Low-End stuff that is meaningless in the face of his actual feats will always be meaningless. The guy whose servants can mind control planetary populations having difficulty to mind control one person is PIS, the end.
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@Meme
Is there any reason you're assuming the Outlander is a Trooper? Because that's deliberately selling Vitiate short just so you can say he's weak.
Is there any reason you're assuming the Outlander is a Trooper? Because that's deliberately selling Vitiate short just so you can say he's weak.
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We went over this in chat already. Why are you bringing it up?Khristis said:
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Because MemeMan has stated some of the points that may contradict what we discussed.The Everlasting said:
Especially considering the fact that the vast majority of Vitiate's ritual and Force feats actually require preparation + other requirements to pull off.
The ritual on Ziost took days worth of preparation time just to pull off for example; it wasn't done by Vitiate immediately upon encountering said planet.
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I really don't think trying to say Vitiate is not that strong is the right approach.
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Also, a request (Off topic I know but still): Can someone link me to where it was agreed to make Vitiate 3-C? Now I'm curious.
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The bigger question regarding the 3-C stat is whether said ritual was shown to literally destroy everything that is contained in the galaxy or not, including planets/stars and all.MasterOfArda said:
Because as far as the ritual goes, it was never shown to destroy anything else other than organic matter (along with water), for example.
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@Repp
This guy thinks Dark Empire Sidious is High 6-A. He is a blatant Star Wars downplayer.
This guy thinks Dark Empire Sidious is High 6-A. He is a blatant Star Wars downplayer.
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I've posted more than enough evidence to prove my point of Plagueis being comparable with Palpatine and being better than Vitiate. None of you have proven me wrong once with anything. If you guys want to suck on Vitiates dick for being a "flawless god", then go right ahead. He's not that good anyways
@Everlasting. It also seems like you aren't fully reading my replies carefully because some of you are coming back with petty responses like 'are you sure the Outlander is a trooper?' when stupid things like that arent important.
I will not reply back to this thread unless someone proves any of my evidence wrong with counter quotes and showings. I would be wasting my time otherwise.
@Everlasting. It also seems like you aren't fully reading my replies carefully because some of you are coming back with petty responses like 'are you sure the Outlander is a trooper?' when stupid things like that arent important.
I will not reply back to this thread unless someone proves any of my evidence wrong with counter quotes and showings. I would be wasting my time otherwise.
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>If you guys want to suck on Vitiate's dick
woa
much debating
very arguments
woa
much debating
very arguments
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This comment seems to be a bit accusatory, especially considering that the feats that he has directly showcased throughout his appearances only reach up to that level.Matthew Schroeder said:
Palpatine's Force Storm was shown in the comics to be at this level, where its maximum capability was to
"Force storms could devastate the surfaces of entire planets and consume whole fleets of starships"
This is sourced from the Dark Empire Sourcebook here.
So show me an excerpt, or a page that shows Palpatine directly manipulating the Force to cause destruction on a star system scale. Otherwise, the feats that Palpatine is currently being scaled from, as well as the constellation feat in the Darth Plagueis novel (it is not made clear whether Palpatine directly caused said constellation or not) could be considered an outlier.
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@Khristis
"A tremor took hold of the planet. Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world's core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake's epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn't constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift."
The epicenter of a quake is the origin point, the source.
Sidious was that epicenter.
"A tremor took hold of the planet. Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world's core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake's epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn't constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift."
The epicenter of a quake is the origin point, the source.
Sidious was that epicenter.
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>Not made clear
"His eyes sought and found an ascending constellation of stars, one of power and consequence new to the sky, though soon to be overwhelmed by dawn's first light. Low in the sky over the flatlands, visible only to those who knew where and how to look, it ushered in a bold future. To some the stars and planets might seem to be moving as ever, destined to align in configurations calculated long before their fiery births. But in fact the heavens had been perturbed, tugged by dark matter into novel alignments."
It outright states that the aligned of the constellations was perturbed and shifted through Darth Sidious' power.
"His eyes sought and found an ascending constellation of stars, one of power and consequence new to the sky, though soon to be overwhelmed by dawn's first light. Low in the sky over the flatlands, visible only to those who knew where and how to look, it ushered in a bold future. To some the stars and planets might seem to be moving as ever, destined to align in configurations calculated long before their fiery births. But in fact the heavens had been perturbed, tugged by dark matter into novel alignments."
It outright states that the aligned of the constellations was perturbed and shifted through Darth Sidious' power.
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Tugged by dark matter
And we see no evidence that Darth Sidious directly aligned those stars; only something about being moved by dark matter.
Darth Sidious =/= the Dark Side itself when other Sith + the Son still exist at that point in time.
And we see no evidence that Darth Sidious directly aligned those stars; only something about being moved by dark matter.
Darth Sidious =/= the Dark Side itself when other Sith + the Son still exist at that point in time.
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"It also seems like you aren't fully reading my replies carefully because some of you are coming back with petty responses like 'are you sure the Outlander is a trooper?' when stupid things like that arent important."
It is when you're using it to say "Lol Vitiate/Arcann struggles with non-Force Sensitives".
It is when you're using it to say "Lol Vitiate/Arcann struggles with non-Force Sensitives".
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And space quakes can now arrange and move stars now?Reppuzan said:
Pretty sure that quakes that travel throughout outer space do not do things like that. And even if it was a quake strong enough to move stars for light years away, this would have caused Coruscant' the epicenter of said quake, to be completely obliterated as a result.
So no, it's probably not a feat that has enough energy to yield solar system levels of destruction, if said feat even follows the laws of physics that is.
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At this rate I'm convinced you're deliberately ignoring looking at Vitiate's page.Khristis said:
There is literally a link to a cutscene showing Vitiate's ritual destroying the galaxy if it had succeeded.
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@Matt, Ever
I think that you guys should just close this thread. We seem to be going in circles here.
I think that you guys should just close this thread. We seem to be going in circles here.
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Tugged by Dark Matter is an obvious metaphor to the Dark Side power that emanated throughout the galaxy, that had Sidious as its epicenter.
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Would The Son scale to Vitiate's ritual? He is, after all, the dark side incarnate.
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In the universe actually.
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So, all the Ones become "At least 3-C, likely higher"?
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Vitiate's ritual definitely destroyed more than organic life. They even mention the stars going dim. However, some things of note.
- The vision shown where the galaxy is destroyed is done to a dwarf galaxy.
- The ritual is not an omnidirectional blast. It basically wipes out every star in said galaxy, which is technically 4-B (or 4-A, if I'm misremembering).
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the dude say every star in both the main galaxy and the neighboring dwarf galaxy would go dim.
the dude say every star in both the main galaxy and the neighboring dwarf galaxy would go dim.
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Isn't that 3-B then?
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Actually 4-A assuming only the stars and planets themselves.
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Yes. Assuming every star is wiped out simultaneously or in quick succession, that would be 4-A, I'm pretty sure. Dwarf galaxies have 100 million to several billions stars, while a galaxy similar to the Milky Way would have 200 billion to 400 billion, iirc.
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