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(STAFF ONLY) EE AP revision

i guess we have enough to go with the compromise then, i have no time right now to do this, will do it tommorow
 
For whoever will write the draft, Hax page (for noting EE as an exception) and EE page both has been affected with this revision so draft has to be created for both pages.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Is it fine if somebody here applies that revision then?
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here is the current draft for the note to be added on the EE page :
"Existence Erasure" can be included in a character's Attack Potency, depending on the circumstances. This is determined by the scope of the erasure and what is being erased. For instance, if a character were to erase an entire universal space-time with the "Existence Erasure" ability, it would be classified as "universal+ environmental destruction with Existence Erasure". While this does not scale to the character's Attack Power, it is still a form of damage inflicted on a specific area using a unique ability, similar to how creation feats are typically categorized. It is to be noted that this type of rating would not be listed for structures bellow tier 2 since Existence Erasure has no joule value and as such is not applying real energy, but in the case of tier 2 structures and above, there is little difference between "destroying" and "erasing" such structures, making Existence Erasure qualify for such tiers in "joule energy" per say"
Reiner said:
For whoever will write the draft, Hax page (for noting EE as an exception) and EE page both has been affected with this revision so draft has to be created for both pages.
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i am a little confused by what you mean by this
 
If I may, should this also apply to Tier 11 structures, since their joule values are similarly unquantifiable?
 
Can somebody remind me of the arguments for each option here, as well as which staff members that support them, please?
 
Antvasima said:
Can somebody remind me of the arguments for each option here, as well as which staff members that support them, please?
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1) EE should be treated as an environmental destruction entirely as it shouldn't be direct AP due to being hax.

2) Tier 2 and above are where value of energy is unquantifiable since beyond High 3-A is beyond physics and so it should be only for Tier 2 and above be treated same but for below, no.

3) Not treated as AP at all since our hax page straight up says it shouldn't. Hax doesn't contribute to energy or AP value.
 
Antvasima said:
Thank you. Option 2 seems good to me.

Which staff members support each of the alternatives here?
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The ones that agrees with the tier 2 and above listing of EE in the profiles, disagrees with it being listed for anything bellow tier 2:
@DarkDragonMedeus
@Maverick_Zero_X
@Antvasima
@Damage3245
@LordGriffin1000

The ones that agreed with the original proposal of listing it:
@DontTalkDT
@ByAsura
@Elizhaa



The ones that disagrees with listing it at all in the AP section but to list it in the description of the EE ability on the profiles:

@KingTempest
@DemonGodMitchAubin
@Mr._Bambu
@Crabwhale
@Deagonx


Although @DontTalkDT only commented once at the beginning of the thread and arguments for each options came way later on, so I think DT should restate if her opinion is still same.
 
Reiner said:
1) EE should be treated as an environmental destruction entirely as it shouldn't be direct AP due to being hax.

2) Tier 2 and above are where value of energy is unquantifiable since beyond High 3-A is beyond physics and so it should be only for Tier 2 and above be treated same but for below, no.

3) Not treated as AP at all since our hax page straight up says it shouldn't. Hax doesn't contribute to energy or AP value.
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Antvasima said:
Thank you. Option 2 seems good to me.

Which staff members support each of the alternatives here?
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Reiner said:
The ones that agrees with the tier 2 and above listing of EE in the profiles, disagrees with it being listed for anything bellow tier 2:
@DarkDragonMedeus
@Maverick_Zero_X
@Antvasima
@Damage3245
@LordGriffin1000

The ones that agreed with the original proposal of listing it:
@DontTalkDT
@ByAsura
@Elizhaa

The ones that disagrees with listing it at all in the AP section but to list it in the description of the EE ability on the profiles:

@KingTempest
@DemonGodMitchAubin
@Mr._Bambu
@Crabwhale
@Deagonx

Although @DontTalkDT only commented once at the beginning of the thread and arguments for each options came way later on, so I think DT should restate if her opinion is still same.
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Thank you for the information.

@DontTalkDT

What do you think about this?
 
Well, what should I say?
I'm generally still of the opinion that it (and other similar hax for that matter, like reality warping) should be treated by the same standards as for creation.

What placing it in the AP section is concerned: I would do it if it's particularly notable, i.e. above the characters usual tier. Noting the Tier 9 character can erase planets from existence seems in interest of the reader of the profile. It's a technique which self-evidently is much stronger than everything else the character has and deserves to be given particular attention. Otherwise, the character would just seem misrepresented.
This goes double when we get to incorporeal Tier 1 god characters that fight exclusively via reality warping and other technically not quantifiable yet self-evident stuff.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Well, what should I say?
I'm generally still of the opinion that it (and other similar hax for that matter, like reality warping) should be treated by the same standards as for creation.

What placing it in the AP section is concerned: I would do it if it's particularly notable, i.e. above the characters usual tier. Noting the Tier 9 character can erase planets from existence seems in interest of the reader of the profile. It's a technique which self-evidently is much stronger than everything else the character has and deserves to be given particular attention. Otherwise, the character would just seem misrepresented.
This goes double when we get to incorporeal Tier 1 god characters that fight exclusively via reality warping and other technically not quantifiable yet self-evident stuff.
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@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality

I thought that creation scales to tiering by size alone rather than energy, or do I misremember? Also, isn't anything that affects universal spacetime in its entirety, i.e. Low 2-C and above, technically a form of existence erasure?
 
Okay. No problem. Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality

I thought that creation scales to tiering by size alone rather than energy, or do I misremember? Also, isn't anything that affects universal spacetime in its entirety, i.e. Low 2-C and above, technically a form of existence erasure?
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Explanations from other knowledgeable members here would also be appreciated.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Well, what should I say?
I'm generally still of the opinion that it (and other similar hax for that matter, like reality warping) should be treated by the same standards as for creation.

What placing it in the AP section is concerned: I would do it if it's particularly notable, i.e. above the characters usual tier. Noting the Tier 9 character can erase planets from existence seems in interest of the reader of the profile. It's a technique which self-evidently is much stronger than everything else the character has and deserves to be given particular attention. Otherwise, the character would just seem misrepresented.
This goes double when we get to incorporeal Tier 1 god characters that fight exclusively via reality warping and other technically not quantifiable yet self-evident stuff.
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I agree with this sentiment.
 
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