- 223
- 122
Bare hands erases Roy
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Re:Zero Existence Erasure Removal
- Thread starter MrTayman616
- Start date
- Status
UrongSygn1
He/Him- 302
- 126
Fezzih_007
He/Him- 9,662
- 4,726
Yeah, that was always the assumption. The CRT is removing that
Reinhard can still duraneg with his spartial manipulation, so
- 7,746
- 4,852
For anybody extrapolating Roy having his "life" erased should probably reread what i have sent for the original translation. It is quite explicitly him being erased from the world.
I dont see how NPI covers something that has been stated to be erasure based multiple times.
count me in for a disagree
I dont see how NPI covers something that has been stated to be erasure based multiple times.
count me in for a disagree
UrongSygn1
He/Him- 302
- 126
Disagree FRA too
Last edited:
- 6,859
- 6,359
I'm open to both here. I need more information about the fire scene.
Puck seems like NPI by itself. But burning someone out of existence seems significant. Do we have raws for it, perhaps?
Puck seems like NPI by itself. But burning someone out of existence seems significant. Do we have raws for it, perhaps?
Last edited:
- 223
- 122
I sent them earlier, they removed him from existence, his soul was getting burned beforehand but it was going to keep burning him forever
Zabazab
Any/All- 7,028
- 10,484
Roy Alphard had a curse placed on him to where if he defied Aldebaran by eating from a soul he wasn't supposed to, his body and soul would be scorched by purifying flames, and he would die.
When Roy did defy him, and was burning alive in both body and soul, Reinhard appeared and chose to kill him, ending his misery. He didn't use existence erasure, he simply killed him, thus "erasing him from the world of the living."
- 223
- 122
- 6,859
- 6,359
Reinhard's existence erasure feats do seem frustratingly vague though.
The part about vanishing to nothing is certainly interesting to me, as is the part about the light erasing everything in front of it, and splitting the world. Are those translations accurate? The part about splitting the world definitely needs more context.
- 223
- 122
Killing people does not erase them from the world, furthermore the burning is never stated to kill him but rather cause eternal burning, hence it being inextinguishable, nothing implies those were burns were killing him. He simply erased him.
- 223
- 122
Yeah they’re accurate, Reinhard’s is too, he simply swings his hand and causes Roy to disappear from the world. That’s quite explicit
Zabazab
Any/All- 7,028
- 10,484
They are, both human-translated.
- 6,859
- 6,359
Do we have more context regarding splitting the world though? Spatial manipulation, perhaps?
- 223
- 122
Stated twice to be caused by his sword pressure
Zabazab
Any/All- 7,028
- 10,484
- 6,859
- 6,359
This sounds a lot like a huge AP gap by itself, based on that.
- 223
- 122
For the world destruction feat? I agree, for the arc 9 one not so much, since I don’t think any amount of AP erases people without a trace
- 6,859
- 6,359
That could allow for this erasure then.
The part about any object wielded by a sword saint becoming an embodiment of the concept of a sword also seems like concept manipulation. Although it still revolves around cutting everything, as described.
Fiction is weird on that. The other trick is whether erasing them from the world is specific or hyperbolic.
I'm currently neutral on Existence Erasure for these feats, although I think Puck sounds like NPI.
- 223
- 122
Yeah fiction is iffy, I was incorrect about the curse part, Roy was going to burn alongside his soul, however it is never stated to be capable of erasing him, erasure language is really strict in re zero, and they use language which implies that Reinhard made Roy straight up disappear
Zabazab
Any/All- 7,028
- 10,484
UrongSygn1
He/Him- 302
- 126
imma be fr the description of Reid's CM2 is poetic as hell "an object meant to cut things" goes hard
- 249
- 367
I don't think Tappei's wording here is simply describing Roy being killed. The original Japanese uses この世から消滅させる ("to cause him to disappear from this world"), which is much stronger than language that would ordinarily be used to describe death.
From what I know of Japanese, expressions like this generally aren't used unless the intent is to convey annihilation or erasure rather than simply killing someone. Because of that, I believe the Arc 9 feat is most appropriately interpreted as an erasure feat.
As for Puck, I don't think this is just Non-Physical Interaction. Puck possesses a physical mana body, and both that physical body and his Od were erased. Based on the previous CRT, the Od is also accepted as CM Type 3, which further supports this interpretation.
For those reasons, I disagree with this CRT in its current form, although I do agree that the reasoning behind the existing profile should be revised. I also think it's likely there are additional erasure statements throughout the series that are worth examining before reaching a final conclusion.
From what I know of Japanese, expressions like this generally aren't used unless the intent is to convey annihilation or erasure rather than simply killing someone. Because of that, I believe the Arc 9 feat is most appropriately interpreted as an erasure feat.
As for Puck, I don't think this is just Non-Physical Interaction. Puck possesses a physical mana body, and both that physical body and his Od were erased. Based on the previous CRT, the Od is also accepted as CM Type 3, which further supports this interpretation.
For those reasons, I disagree with this CRT in its current form, although I do agree that the reasoning behind the existing profile should be revised. I also think it's likely there are additional erasure statements throughout the series that are worth examining before reaching a final conclusion.
- 15,532
- 23,069
What about Possibly rating as a compromise? This is really depend on how the text is interpreted
- 4,732
- 3,661
- Thread starter
- #108
Can someone close this thread for now please? I've been outside the country for a few days and I'll be back home around 4 days later or so, and i'm not in a situation to make long replies or anything.
- 223
- 122
The world wishes to know why you only make removal threads
- 15,004
- 10,677
what are you trying to imply??? that he only makes removal threads out of spite/hate for the verse??
cut it out man
- 20,469
- 22,722
Because he is well within his rights to do so.
Anyways, anyone have objection to me closing this for now?
- 223
- 122
Nope, also I’m just curious why only removals
- 223
- 122
No not that, it’s just am curious
- 1,834
- 1,502
Cuz he can?
- 20,469
- 22,722
Setting aside that there's nothing wrong with correcting issues this way, you do realize that even if he personally hated the verse or whatever, the thread's content is what would be evaluated right? He could be named IHateReZero and this would still be well within rights so long as he isn't antagonistic. And that clearly isn't the case here.
Anyways, I'll close the thread until he returns.
- Status
Similar threads
