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Spongebob LS downgrades

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StretchSebe said:
Doesn't episodes starting with him already at the Krusty Krab immediately disprove the idea he can't open his own door? Let alone well into the day, in the middle of work that he can't flip a spatula on his own?
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The doors of the Krusty Krab are sliding doors made out of thin sheets of glass, this has been shown numerous times throughout the series. The doors of Spongebob's kitchen are pull doors made out of really heavy metal, though.
Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E said:
That's like saying Kratos can barely cut wood, Goku gets effected by bullets or basic lasers, Sonic gets KO'd by the most basic shit, yet we all know they are powerful characters as it is.
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@BestMGQScalerEver already made a perfect reply to this, but let me get more in-depth.

Kratos is stated in-lore numerous times that he can heavily suppress his strength so he doesn't instantly oneshot his target and blitz them
The tree in question was chosen by his wife (hence the hand marking) to be her funeral pyre

Goku is shown only once or twice in the entire series being harmed by things like weaker projectiles, and is shown numerous other times that they don't even leave a dent on him

Sonic getting knocked out is gameplay mechanics, you straight up don't even provide an example

Notice how all of these "inconsistencies" were only shown once or are straight up taken out of context, compared to the numerous anti-feats Spongebob has displayed throughout the course of the show.
 
Shmooply said:
The doors of the Krusty Krab are sliding doors made out of thin sheets of glass, this has been shown numerous times throughout the series. The doors of Spongebob's kitchen are pull doors made out of really heavy metal, though.

@BestMGQScalerEver already made a perfect reply to this, but let me get more in-depth.

Kratos is stated in-lore numerous times that he can heavily suppress his strength so he doesn't instantly oneshot his target and blitz them
The tree in question was chosen by his wife (hence the hand marking) to be her funeral pyre

Goku is shown only once or twice in the entire series being harmed by things like weaker projectiles, and is shown numerous other times that they don't even leave a dent on him

Sonic getting knocked out is gameplay mechanics, you straight up don't even provide an example

Notice how all of these "inconsistencies" were only shown once or are straight up taken out of context, compared to the numerous anti-feats Spongebob has displayed throughout the course of the show.
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You didn't address my response above.
 
There is a massive difference between "character with a serious portrayal and a clearly high power level has some inconsistencies born out of plot necessities" and "gag character who does shit for the sake of comedy is usually portrayed as extremely pathetic". Even if the absolute lowest showing of Spongebob's strength isn't """"consistent"""", as dumb as that word is when used in the context of a comedic cartoon, it still shows that he isn't intended to be very strong, and even disregarding that it doesn't mean that all the other ones can be ignored at will for the highest end out there.
 
Shmooply said:
The doors of the Krusty Krab are sliding doors made out of thin sheets of glass, this has been shown numerous times throughout the series. The doors of Spongebob's kitchen are pull doors made out of really heavy metal, though.
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I mean, doesn't the video you linked show Spongebob easily pulling and slamming the 'really heavy metal' door into Squidward's face? He even wonders if he's doing it hard enough.
Propellus said:
You didn't address my response above.
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Likewise:

Even if the Krusty Krab's sliding doors are made of thin glass, how would Spongebob get out of his house to be at the Krusty Krab at the start of various episodes if he couldn't even open his front door?
 
We really gonna use "anti-feats" from Kratos of all people, the same guy who was at first, "unable to cut wood", is then explicitly and blatantly shown pinballing Baldur through trees (Even the early dev videos show this) and creating a brand new canyon just by tussling with the guy. The same dude whose franchise is legit stated to show him struggle opening chests and gates to preserve game dynamics so as not to adhere to that one battleboarding mentality of "no anti-feats", but in-lore of the actual canon he could literally just swap places with Atlas for holding up the Greek World without issue. Bro literally holds back his strength, durability and stamina even and regenerates them on a goddamn whim.

Deadass I didn't just see this being used in a Spongebob thread of all places.
 
KLOL506 said:
We really gonna use "anti-feats" from Kratos of all people, the same guy who was at first, "unable to cut wood", is then explicitly and blatantly shown pinballing Baldur through trees and creating a brand new canyon just by tussling with the guy. The same dude whose franchise is legit stated to show him struggle opening chests and gates to preserve game dynamics so as not to adhere to that one battleboarding mentality of "no anti-feats", but in-lore of the actual canon he could literally just swap places with Atlas for holding up the Greek World without issue.

Deadass I didn't just see this being used in a Spongebob thread of all places.
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Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think anti-feats from Kratos are being used against Kratos here (at least, nobody seems to be arguing about Kratos currently), but to show that anti-feats, as you say, often don't actually reflect the capabilities of characters. I certainly wouldn't use those anti-feats in an argument pertaining to how strong Kratos is: Dude's a god killer.
 
StretchSebe said:
I mean, doesn't the video you linked show Spongebob easily pulling and slamming the 'really heavy metal' door into Squidward's face? He even wonders if he's doing it hard enough.
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Yeah. I never said that it was an anti-feat, just evidence that could maybe get him out of Below Average LS.
StretchSebe said:
how would Spongebob get out of his house to be at the Krusty Krab at the start of various episodes if he couldn't even open his front door?
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It's a 50/50, as he's shown to struggle opening it many times, but there are times where he does manage to casually open it. Think of opening a pickle jar with your bare hands for example.
Propellus said:
You didn't address my response above.
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Because it really doesn't refute my points that much. You're arguing that Spongebob knowing some cool techniques somehow disproves the idea of him not needing his spatula's strength to perform those flips in the first place. Secondly, how consistently has Spongebob managed to lift or restrain Mister Krabs? How many times has Krabs shown to lift heavy things, or if there's any anti-feats for his LS as well. Hell, he gets easily restrained by some ropes in another episode.
 
Yeah remove this from the scaling now

It's not just a lifting feat on his profile. It's attack potency and speed
 
Shmooply said:
Because it really doesn't refute my points that much. You're arguing that Spongebob knowing some cool techniques somehow disproves the idea of him not needing his spatula's strength to perform those flips in the first place. Secondly, how consistently has Spongebob managed to lift or restrain Mister Krabs? How many times has Krabs shown to lift heavy things, or if there's any anti-feats for his LS as well. Hell, he gets easily restrained by some ropes in another episode.
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I really don't care how much you feel that it doesn't refute to your points, you're the one that asked for GIFs as evidence towards SpongeBob's strengths, so at least acknowledge it instead of just ignoring it. You say that Spongebob's spatula is the one doing all the work for him, but your points doesn't seem to back that all up. And while they do have anti-feats, that doesn't mean you can just downplay them and say they have no feats of doing anything simple at all.
 
Shmooply said:
No?
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Also Shmooply:
Shmooply said:
Prove that Spongebob doesn't need the help of his spatula to flip patties instead of saying that he can do it himself and then post a random gif of him normally flipping patties, since we have proof that not only can his spatula help flip patties for him, but in the exact same episode he's shown snapping his arms off trying to flip a massive pile of patties.
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Shmooply said:
I specifically said to not use random gifs of him doing his job normally as evidence, or did my sleep-deprived ass word things poorly.
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Everyone knows SB is a master fry cook, everyone here are incapable of such basic ass fact and live under an actual rock apparently.
 
Shmooply said:
Yeah. I never said that it was an anti-feat, just evidence that could maybe get him out of Below Average LS.
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You mentioned the Krusty Krab doors and these doors in response to me asking about Spongebob's front door and getting to the Krusty Krab. I assumed the first was an example of how he gets into the Krusty Krab, but I'm glad you mention him using steel doors at the Krusty Krab too:
Shmooply said:
It's a 50/50, as he's shown to struggle opening it many times, but there are times where he does manage to casually open it. Think of opening a pickle jar with your bare hands for example.
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Either he's got the LS to open steel doors like his front door and doors in the Krusty Krab or he doesn't.

I think it makes more sense that he just can given the sheer amount of times we see him out and about at the start of an episode of his own accord, in many more places than just the Krusty Krab as well.
Shmooply said:
After double-checking the profiles, we surprisingly do accept the cast as being really small. This just complicates things even further.
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Being small also doesn't change much if there's evidence against their smallness inherently putting them at 10-C. It would be like saying a human size character's limit is 10-B up to 9-C even when we see said character performing a 8-C feat.

Besides, haven't there been entire threads from months ago carefully laying out Spongebob's current tiering, stats, and feats used on his page (among other things like calcs)?
 
Alright, I'll concede on the whole spatula thing.
StretchSebe said:
Being small also doesn't change much if there's evidence against their smallness inherently putting them at 10-C.
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You are going to give every Spongebob supporter violent flashbacks to their past upgrade attempts being stonewalled with the "but everything in the verse is small" excuse, I hope you do not get crucified.
StretchSebe said:
It would be like saying a human size character's limit is 10-B up to 9-C even when we see said character performing a 8-C feat.

Besides, haven't there been entire threads from months ago carefully laying out Spongebob's current tiering and feats used on his page (among other things like calcs)?
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The main difference is that their size can notably affect their LS ratings unlike other stats like AP and Durability. Mister Krabs being able to lift the Krusty Krab is pretty impressive, until you remember he's just a bit taller than Spongebob and is just lifting something with the weight and hollowness of a crab trap.
 
Shmooply said:
You are going to give every Spongebob supporter violent flashbacks to their past upgrade attempts being stonewalled with the "but everything in the verse is small" excuse, I hope you do not get crucified.
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No I think it's something people like you should look out for someday: We have other toons that are diminutive in size, yet one will take into account what actually matters. Jerry is small yet is still comparable and scales to other animals that can do hefty feats in the verse anyways.
 
Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E said:
No I think it's something people like you should look out for someday: We have other toons that are diminutive in size, yet one will take into account what actually matters. Jerry is small yet is still comparable and scales to other animals that can do hefty feats in the verse anyways.
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Okay, the difference is Jerry (presumably, since there's literally nothing proving Jerry scales to Cuckoo on the profile, and the scan leads to a dead page) is shown to be capable of restraining or picking up characters on that level. This is obviously not the case with Spongebob.
 
Propellus said:
While I appreciate your concerns towards SpongeBob getting downplayed here which myself doesn't approve even though it does have anti-feats, I don't really think the constant whataboutisms is the best way to around here
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They specifically use sizes from a pineapple to other small sizes as a point. It's bound to happen actually.
 
Are you going to explain why Spongebob is similar to Jerry and Kirby, or are you just gonna go "but this small character strong so your argument wrong"
hey that rhymed
Anomalous_N_I_W_D_E said:
Yet they lift Anchors and Boats from the ocean.
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Which only Larry and Sandy are shown to do, unless there are more instances of other characters being able to do so. Eitherway, you also have to prove that Spongebob and the rest of the cast scale to those two, as Sandy has been shown to be physically way superior to the rest of the cast with some of them sometimes fearing her strength, and Larry himself being outright stated to be a bodybuilder.
And where are these boat lifting scenes?
 
Shmooply said:
Which only Larry and Sandy are shown to do, unless there are more instances of other characters being able to do so--
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Stop the cap. We literally see SB combating and restraining Sandy since the beginning, to the time he flipped her off when he was waiting for a toy, SB tackled Larry when he was taking care of some stray worms, and lifted everyone in this episode.
Shmooply said:
And where are these boat lifting scenes?
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Comes from the bullworm episode... Do not point out the "fact" that the bullworm is small therefore 10-C when the worm is much stronger then her in general if it can threaten her.
 
Shmooply said:
Sandy has been shown to be physically way superior to the rest of the cast with some of them sometimes fearing her strength, and Larry himself being outright stated to be a bodybuilder.
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Pretty sure SpongeBob keeps beating her in when it comes to karate
 
"SpongeBob 10-C because he small and because he a funny cartoon character"
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Gasper said:
that's not LS feat in any way, shape or form. It's never even remotely implied the string has infinite or any other insane level weight.
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The episode established that the string connects to everything in the universe and composes it, so the string weighs as much as the universe because everything in it is the string. Since SpongeBob was constantly lifting and tugging the string like it was nothing, he was quite literally supporting the weight of the universe.
 
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