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((SPOILERS)) Deltarune Chapter 2 Upgrades/Additions

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1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void said:
I thought all the dura neg comes from attacking the soul. So Sans' dura neg is nothing to talk about here.
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Sans is the one monster who actually negates durability. Between the KR, all of his attacks dealing the same 1 damage no matter what, ignoring invincibility frames and more, the ’easiest enemy’ proves himself to be an underestimated foe.
 
Daddybrawl said:
Sans is the one monster who actually negates durability. Between the KR, all of his attacks dealing the same 1 damage no matter what, ignoring invincibility frames and more, the ’easiest enemy’ proves himself to be an underestimated foe.
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Pretty sure it's impossible to deal less than 1 damage in the game itself, but I guess ignoring the invincibility frames set up by game mechanics does count.
 
Karma isn't game mechanics, it's literally poison, lmao. Also, Game Mechanics ARE "canon" to the lore of Undertale, so I don't know why you made such an argument.

Sans Attacks: Ignores Durability from those who have Soul Manip. Resistance.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Karma isn't game mechanics, it's literally poison, lmao. Also, Game Mechanics ARE "canon" to the lore of Undertale, so I don't know why you made such an argument.

Sans Attacks: Ignores Durability from those who have Soul Manip. Resistance.
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No one said it nor argued its not.

Where did you get that from when its not listed in his profile?
 
1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void said:
No one said it nor argued its not.
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1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void said:
I guess ignoring the invincibility frames set up by game mechanics does count.
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He does so through Karma, not game mechanics. You shouldn't really say anything if you know nothing about what you're saying.
1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void said:
Where did you get that from when its not listed in his profile?
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This has to be a troll... KARMA is listed right after Soul Manipulation
 
Charmander you’re misunderstanding. He’s not saying you ignore it via game mechanics, he’s saying the invincibility frames are because of game mechanics, and Sans ignores them.

you really shouldn’t say anything if you know nothing about what you’re saying lol
 
Daddybrawl said:
Charmander you’re misunderstanding. He’s not saying you ignore it via game mechanics, he’s saying the invincibility frames are because of game mechanics, and Sans ignores them.
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I understand what he said, I wasn't addressing the argument itself, I just said the premise was false. (Premise being, "Sans can bypass UT's Soul Resistance because invincibility frames being ignored")
 
But he can the glasses and notebook give extra invulnerability frames and he lessens those too.
 
I'd like to ask you all if we should do the following profiles:

Lancer
King
Roulxs Kaard
Knight (It'd be a very rough profile, but they already have feats)
Swatchlings
Sweet, Cap'n and K_K


I think that's everyone relevant from both chapters, did I forget anyone? Who should I exclude from the list?

No, I will not do a profile for
THE ORIGINAL STARWALKER
 
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GodlyCharmander said:
I'd like to ask you all if we should do the following profiles:

Lancer
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Reocurring, has roles in at least 2 chapters so far. Seems noteworthy.
GodlyCharmander said:
King
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Chapter Boss, so yes.
GodlyCharmander said:
Roulxs Kaard
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Maybe? He's only fought once & it's kind of the Un-Fused Thrash Machine rather than Rouxls himself.
GodlyCharmander said:
Knight (It'd be a very rough profile, but they already have feats)
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Too vague. We don't know The Knight's appearance, nor their behaviour, & even with the feats we have, I'd think some stuff like their Stamina & Intelligence are guesswork, moreso than other stuff we might infer from said feats.
GodlyCharmander said:
Swatchlings
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They're fought, & semi-important for LS scaling, so might be good to have profiles for them.
GodlyCharmander said:
Sweet
Cap'n
K_K
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Always fought as a group, so they should be a team profile, I think. They do attack individually, but I would say that might mean just giving each of them their own tabber, or specifying some of the abilities can only be used by some of them.

Though, should all that not be a matter for another CRT, or are we continuing with yet more matters in this one?
 
Imaginym said:
Reocurring, has roles in at least 2 chapters so far. Seems noteworthy.

Chapter Boss, so yes.
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Okay.
Imaginym said:
Maybe? He's only fought once & it's kind of the Un-Fused Thrash Machine rather than Rouxls himself.
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"9-B, 9-A with Thrash Machine"?
Imaginym said:
Too vague. We don't know The Knight's appearance, nor their behaviour, & even with the feats we have, I'd think some stuff like their Stamina & Intelligence are guesswork, moreso than other stuff we might infer from said feats.
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That's fair.
Imaginym said:
They're fought, & semi-important for LS scaling, so might be good to have profiles for them.
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Fair.
Imaginym said:
Always fought as a group, so they should be a team profile, I think. They do attack individually, but I would say that might mean just giving each of them their own tabber, or specifying some of the abilities can only be used by some of them.
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Team Profile? Forgive me for my ignorance, but I didn't know this was a thing. Could you give me an example?
Imaginym said:
Though, should all that not be a matter for another CRT, or are we continuing with yet more matters in this one?
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I believe we can settle things here, making another CRT just to ask for who should we make a profile for would be rather weird.

After making these profiles, we can wrap it up and finally close this
 
GodlyCharmander said:
He does so through Karma, not game mechanics. You shouldn't really say anything if you know nothing about what you're saying.

This has to be a troll... KARMA is listed right after Soul Manipulation
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Same to you.

You think just by putting KARMA there would tell me it ignores invincibility frames? They only mentioned soul poison and nothing else.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Team Profile? Forgive me for my ignorance, but I didn't know this was a thing. Could you give me an example?
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Hard to think of any off the top of my head, but nonetheless, I think Sweet Cap 'n' Cakes should be 1 profile, with multiple tabbers, since all 3 characters almost always fight together, & lack much to distinguish themselves, outside of minor differences in appearance & personality that wouldn't affect their profiles much.
Some profiles that do depict multiple ostensibly separate individuals include https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Twinrova & https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Climbers , but I'm unsure if they're ideal examples.
There's also https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Three_Evil_Stooges & https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Team_Rocket_Trio
 
Imaginym said:
Hard to think of any off the top of my head, but nonetheless, I think Sweet Cap 'n' Cakes should be 1 profile, with multiple tabbers, since all 3 characters almost always fight together, & lack much to distinguish themselves, outside of minor differences in appearance & personality that wouldn't affect their profiles much.
Some profiles that do depict multiple ostensibly separate individuals include https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Twinrova & https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Climbers , but I'm unsure if they're ideal examples.
There's also https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Three_Evil_Stooges & https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Team_Rocket_Trio
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Fair enough, I'll work on it.
 
I don’t think Lancer can consciously turn himself into a card- that’s just what happens when he leaves the Dark World.
When he enters your pocket, you can still see and interact with him, and he can still leave, meaning he’s still him, not a Card.
I also don’t think being able to enter an inventory is Dimensional Storage. This feels more like Shrinking/Dimensional Travel?
 
Daddybrawl said:
I don’t think Lancer can consciously turn himself into a card- that’s just what happens when he leaves the Dark World.
When he enters your pocket, you can still see and interact with him, and he can still leave, meaning he’s still him, not a Card.
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He is a card inside your pocket, yes.
Daddybrawl said:
I also don’t think being able to enter an inventory is Dimensional Storage. This feels more like Shrinking/Dimensional Travel?
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Fair.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
He is a card inside your pocket, yes.
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Oh, dang. I didn’t catch that. Nice one.
But… you can also see him… and he can even screw with your inventory such as taking Queen’s mixtape…
Inventory Shenanigans lol.
GodlyCharmander said:
Should Lancer be Chapter 2 Kris' standard equipment? Lol
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Hmm….
He is given to you at the beginning of the chapter. And does end up serving a use. But does a person transformed into an item count as equipment?
 
"Weakness: As a Darkner, Lancer can only exist within a Dark Fountain. If he is sent out of a Dark Fountain, he will immediately turn into the Jack of Spades card. If Lancer is incompatible with it, he will become a stone statue once exposed to the world for a few minutes."

Should I add this weakness to every other darkner too?

EDIT: The incompatibility part won't be added to Ralsei
 
Daddybrawl said:
Oh, dang. I didn’t catch that. Nice one.
But… you can also see him… and he can even screw with your inventory such as taking Queen’s mixtape…
Inventory Shenanigans lol.
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Well, I can change to "possibly Transformation". Would that be better?
Daddybrawl said:
Hmm….
He is given to you at the beginning of the chapter. And does end up serving a use. But does a person transformed into an item count as equipment?
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Maybe summoning? Lol
 
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