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Spider-Man General Discussion

Abu2411 said:
I think this thread would be a good place to ask who the strongest spider-man on this wiki is overall not just AP wise including other characters like Miles or Cindy etc.

Like if speed was not equalised and all the spider-men had to fight each other, who would come out alive?
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Beyonder Spiderman
 
Whenever people ask who's the strongest Spider-Men, there's always answers that tend to show me some people don't know a lot about most of them. I remember an argument said the Spider-Men could beat Leopardon just by doing the Civil War Giant-Man technique...even though that wouldn't hurt Leopardon and he could, y'know, just get up

Not trying to come off as insulting, I apologize if that's how I sound
 
Lonkitt said:
Whenever people ask who's the strongest Spider-Men, there's always answers that tend to show me some people don't know a lot about most of them. I remember an argument said the Spider-Men could beat Leopardon just by doing the Civil War Giant-Man technique...even though that wouldn't hurt Leopardon and he could, y'know, just get up

Not trying to come off as insulting, I apologize if that's how I sound
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Nah I understand also I don't want to include Captain universe spider-man or other power-ups.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
So then Unlimited currently 💀
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Unequalized matches still work, it’s just very dependant on the opponents and rules
 
Mysterio from shattered dimensions is Unknown in his key with part of the fragment rn
iirc he broke through a wall in one cutscene so that could probably be calced for a rating
 
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Akidwholiketopowerscale said:
Mysterio from shattered dimensions is Unknown in his key with part of the fragment rn
iirc he broke through a wall in one cutscene so that could probably be calced for a rating
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Amazing Spider-Man (SD) feats:
Spider-Man pulls apart a broken off section of a roof
Fragment-Amped Kraven shatters the top halves of three stone pillars at once
Sandman shatters a large portion of a wooden building
Sandman tears apart a platform
Juggernaut shatters a cement truck
Juggernaut endures two large propane tanks exploding up close
Juggernaut breaks through opening in the side of a building
Juggernaut throws a helicopter hard enough to break off two large metal doors
Spider-Man destroys some debris
Juggernaut destroys an entire building just by jumping into it
Spider-Man and Juggernaut level the under construction Oscorp Building after crashing through each floor

Spider-Man scales to all of these whether by the process of performing a feat, harming a villain, or tanking their attacks
 
Lonkitt said:
A bit of a hot take, I think we need a long break from Spider-Man cartoons. I know everyone likes to say "what if we had one that did [insert idea here]". I'm not shutting down those ideas, but I think Spider-Man needs a breather from those series'
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With how bad the current Spider-Man cartoon is, i seconded this
 
Abu2411 said:
What do you mean? It's just an art style thing really.
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That is the excuse that gets thrown nowadays to avoid the fact that most of the artists working on these shows haven't really had much (if any) education for the jobs they're given, and that irks me, to be honest. Artstyle should NEVER serve an excuse for hiding how to draw properly... Even if the show already didn't feature any proper shading or wasn't very expressive (when even Ultimate Spider-Man didn't have those issues, and they're both crappily animated most of the time) I'd still point out how bland, unimaginitive and hollow it looks. The last She-Ra reboot thing had the same problem (honestly a lot of cartoons in the past 10 years are very style-less or rely too much on other artstyles or being messy rather than crafting their own). It kinda drives away the notion that you must put effort into your artistry.

The issue with the anime influence is that most Japanese artists have been stuck with the rather inconsistent Disney inspiration they've carried for decades and can't differentiate their designs too much across their characters' ages (some can literally keep the same eyes or even heads for their whole lives, and the "it's an artstyle thing" could work in comedies but even in serious stories they have that), whereas it's basic education for most artists anywhere that drawing different ages is pretty essential (manga artists with more realistic styles thankfully don't have this issue).

Likewise over here we are taught how to draw different genders (because beyond our superficial features and right down to our very skeletons both sexes are quite different throughout the ages), something anime struggles with quite a bit when it's not sexualizing underage girls lol (no but seriously, how MANY jokes have been made in manga and anime where characters didn't know if X character was a boy or a girl? Far too many, honestly, it's a weird joke that's never had a punchline, and I'm pretty confident it's the artists' way of pointing out their artistic flaws, but without the intelligence to make that medium-wide running gag funny)

Bit of a rant I went through, unrelated to Spider-Man at that, but I'm working on getting a job as a comic book artist/writer (historietista where I live) and art in general has been a big part of my life, so I have a lot to talk about. My point originally was that this kind of art does not fit Spider-Man at all. Spider-Man is many things, he's bright and colorful, he's nimble and dynamic, serious and potentially dark but also cheerful and funny, he's a spirited youngster but also a responsible man, he deserves all the effort necessary and with what they've had to work with, damn near every show between the 60s and 2000s that featured Spider-Man has had some degree of effort to properly adapt Spidey in many ways (all the aforementioned aspects), some better than others (as is the case with TAS and Spec), and even the Ultimate cartoon had good designs from Ed McGuinness, an artist who has rocked drawing Spidey in the past (unfortunately his designs don't shine very brightly in that animation and don't quite match the jokey style the series has).
 
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