Sonic upgrades

[Wokistan]

Perfect chaos is 5-A, and there's the possibility that he's just gotten much stronger since then while his enemies haven't caught up. 4 emeralds absorbed is chaos 4.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Do we actually get statments that Sonic is weaker than a Chaos Emerald?

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

Fine, I'll do myself.

THAT'S NOT A REAL BLACK HOLE ************! SHIID FOR ALL WE KNOW, EMERL & CHAOS COULD'VE JUST BEEN DRAWING ENOUGH ENERGY TO NOT COMBUST! THAT STATEMENT ABOUT EGGMAN'S AMUSEMENT PARK BEING THE SIZE OF A PLANET WAS SIMPLY AN EXAGGERATION, MY GOD!! POWER SOURCE FROM PLANET DOES NOT EQUAL ARMOR DURABLY, JESUS H CHRIST MAN! CLOSE THIS DAMN THREAD!!!

See what happens when there isn't enough chaos happening

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal Because Perfect Chaos is 5-A and Sonic is being upgraded to 5-B, so he'd still be below PC.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Maybe, maybe not. I don't even disagree with the upgrade. I'm just giving Maverick his wish.

 

[Bobsican]

I totally agree with what´s at the OP

I always felt High 6-A was downplay...

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

DDM and Matt:Run from it,hide from it,destiny arrives all the same and now it's here or should I say I'am

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

*Cal completely ignores that Mario is as strong as a Power Star and ALTTP Link is as strong as the Triforce

Yeah but being equal to the gems is odd.

 

[Wokistan]

Sonic isn't stronger than chaos 6 though, he's able to fight chaos 4 normally but 6 gets frozen first.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I think Chaos 6 could be rated as "At least 5-B."

 

[Wokistan]

Sonic did beat an emerl empowered by all 7 that one time (though I don't think he could actually use them right) and it was implied that it was the only time in the entire game he was really fighting seriously and happened within a rather short timeframe. Him being equal to a chaos emerald when he drops the whole lackadasical attitude doesn't seem that weird to me when a lot of his foes use them too.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Being completely serious, Knuckles is physically stronger than Sonic and he could only beat a CE empowered opponent (Silver Sonic iirc. Could be Mecha Sonic) when the invulnerability was down. And unless Knuckles's entire gimmick/purpose has been completely invalidated, I highly doubt Sonic is stronger than him.

 

[Andytrenom]

Memes are over?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Heck no.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Metal Sonic was empowered by the Master Emerald.

 

[Wokistan]

Mecha was empowered by the master emerald, which is equal to at least the other 7.

Knuckles also doesn't seem to be that much stronger comparatively anymore, while Sonic mantaind speed. Speed's a huge advantage when it's not equal and you could also say he has better combat skill if you wanted to.

 

[Wokistan]

Also, that was back in the Genesis days. Their base was 8-A. This is modern.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal You mean Mecha Sonic's super form that lasts for like a few seconds? He used energy from the Master Emerald.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The Chaos Emeralds are mostly revered because they have a bunch of magical abilities, they're incredibly efficient fuel sources for machinery, and when you have all seven you gain a massive boost in power.

Sonic facing Chaos-powered beings is weird, but as shown by Chaos and Emerl it's pretty consistent nevertheless.

This is a comparable situation to Mario fighting beings amped by Power Stars and Kirby busting the Master Crown

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonic did beat an emerl empowered by all 7 that one time (though I don't think he could actually use them right) and it was implied that it was the only time in the entire game he was really fighting seriously and happened within a rather short timeframe. Him being equal to a chaos emerald when he drops the whole lackadasical attitude doesn't seem that weird to me when a lot of his foes use them too.

Yeah. Sonic went all out and canonically beat him within 30 seconds or something like that.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Wok Classic characters got upgraded to Low 6-B a while ago.

 

[Js250476]

This was before the blaster fired and destroyed the Earth so yeah less then 30

 

[Ultima_Reality]

That's, uh, fine I guess.

aaand... unfollow

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Just to prove memes aren't dead.

 

[Andytrenom]

USERNAME is correct

 

[VileShadows]

Gladion edgier than Shadow? I don't think so.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal Even as a Shadow fan I had to kudos that one. Well played.

 

[Wokistan]

Let's not derail, considering this got highlighted and all.

 

[Andytrenom]

Now he says it..

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Oh right I forgot I did that...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anyway, modern Sonic was 5-B at one point of time. Of all people, Azzy was the one to downgrade him. Could someone address his points if they can find his thread? Arceus knows I ain't looking for it.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal He used to be scaled to Chaos 6. This time though Chaos 6 isn't part of the reasoning.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I remember it. It was a million years ago where Sonic was scaled to Chaos 6, which was flawed. His rebuttal doesn't apply here as this only proposes that Sonic scales to Chaos 1-4

 

[ShakeResounding]

It's because Chaos 6 was the main argument for 5-B Sonic at the time, which is no longer part of the equation.

Second was the Biosphere stuff, which also now no longer part of the argument (at least not really)

That was from the top of my head.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Aight so Sonic is...baseline? Idk.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

He scales to whatever this is.

 

[ShakeResounding]

No, the Unleashed calc puts him above that + contending with Chaos 4.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The Unleashed calc was 167 zettatons.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonoc's unquantifiably above 167 Zettatons then.

@Shadow Is that Executor's version that's 167?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Actually I'm wrong. 167 was the original calc by Merlight. Executor's correction is 614 zettatons.