Sonic upgrades

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Executor's version is 614 Zettatons, a little over 10x above baseline.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Okay, I'll redo what I said.

Sonic's unqualifiably above 614 Zettatons, not 167.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ehh, I like Merlight's calc better. It was more accurate.

 

[Neon_Battle_Bind]

Since Super Sonic is becoming 4-A I'm interested in a Becky vs Super Sonic match

Oblivion?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Shut it, Cal. You just want Sonic 5-Bs to be as close to baseline as possible O^O

In all seriousness, Executor was just the one to do his evaluation. While I'm not saying he's always 100% right, if his evaluation was a recalc into a higher end of 5-B then that's just what it is.

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

Welp, since the thread looks to be going by smoothly so far and I'm absolutely, positively sure that no one is gonna come in out of the blue and start making very debunkable rebuttals to ignite chaos (not the water god) within this thread, I'm gonna post part of this thing I'm working on but edited into a gif.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Close, I don't want Shadow to be stronger than base Mewtwo

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

Fun.

 

[Js250476]

Sonic vs DBZ incoming

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Shake It's because it's Ex lol.

@Neon I'd like the low end being 4-A to come back but what happens regarding Base Sonic wouldn't be related to Super Sonic since Super Sonic being 5-A is still stronger.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Okay, so I know this is derailing but just bear with me here.

@DaBoi You. You have amazing talent.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also don't y'all never say I never did nothin for ya.

 

[Js250476]

This easily the chillest Sonic thread so far tbh

but this is just the calm before the storm

 

[Andytrenom]

Multiple Negatives Confusion

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Since Super Sonic is becoming 4-A I'm interested in a Becky vs Super Sonic match

Oblivion?

Why do you do this to my blue boi?Base Becky is so far into 4-A she essentially AP stomps some of the strongest 4-A's.Sonic can't also bypass her Type 8.Her power Mimicry allows her to match him in every way also her RW,Soul Manip, and Transmuation gives her a massive advantage.Although Sonic is a bit faster but that won't really mean anything.Damnit Becky I hope Anti ends you.....

 

[ShakeResounding]

We love you, Cal-sama

 

[JJSliderman]

I guess another feat is Erazor absorbing the energy of the Arabian Nights...half of it, and then restoring it afterwards, without Alf Layla.

Idk how to quantify that tho.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Oblivion This be derailing.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Sorry man I just wanted to give an answer.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Don't worry about it, everybody here's chill.

I do recommend taking it to one of your walls if you wanna discuss match ideas tho.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

yEaH nEOn....

Anyway DDM said he was gonna post soon and I'm quite sure he's opposing this,unfortunately.....

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Shit

 

[Andytrenom]

I love how it's been 2 hours and there's already more than 140 messages.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I swear he's the bane of Sonic Upgrades

I'm still pissed about the 2-B Sonic stuff lol

 

[Js250476]

Insert Gotta go fast meme

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

DDM kudos'd Ultima's comment so maybe that's a good sign?

 

[Andytrenom]

Half of those kudos were probably for the "unfollowed" part.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Kinda wish I got Shadow or Shake to make this thread for me...

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Just because one member disagrees doesn't cancel out an upgrade so have no fear

 

[ShakeResounding]

Guys.

DDM is still a person that has stuff to do and is entitled to his own opinion. I wouldn't call him the bane of Sonic upgrades or an immediate opposer. I want this to go smoothly and don't wanna see people attacking others. This wasn't towards anybody specific btw, just a warning that it could get messy if everybody's rude.

So let's calm down, alright?

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I'm saying he doesn't hate all of Sonic it's just he makes Sonic Upgrades tedious jokingly of course

 

[Js250476]

Just a reminder we're talking about upgrading pretend stats for a fictional blue hedgehog

Nothing worth getting to upset over

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Kinda wish I got Shadow or Shake to make this thread for me... </div>

I don't really think it makes a difference which of us does it.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

True although we do get heated from time to time because we' passionate about these characters and that's ok

 

[Js250476]

Of could yeah passion can be a blessing and a small curse sometimes

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

Blue Blur v. Blue Bomber (Probably somewhere here, but ain't on their profiles so that thread would be a necro)

The Black Wind v. The Psychic Legend (Hi, Cal)

Rougher than the Rest of Them v. Pickle Ma

The Fiery Feline v. Space Bounty Hunter

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

This is a VS debating site first and foremost so arguments will always happen on which character should win, how they should be rated, what abilities they should have, etc. As long as you don't go overboard and start insulting people then arguing is ok and it's a part of what makes this site.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not against the upgrades, but at least half the list aren't even 5-B.

First and foremost is the ABIS feat. I was informed that nobody scales from it and that it would absolutely one shot everyone period. Nobody did anything to the Black Hole and it kills ABIS alongside it; making him a glass cannon no one scales from. The most obvious one out of the way.

Next is the space station, It is planet sized, but we don't assume planet sized objects have Planet level durability. An object of said size would have around Tier 6 durability according to Kepekley and Kaltias among other people. Space Stations also don't have GBE so that would also not be quantifiable.

Emerl "Destroying the Planet" wasn't specific enough. And it said it required all 7 Chaos Emeralds according to Gerald Robotnik's statements. And if he was empowered by the Chaos Emeralds, then it would be an outlier for Base Sonic since he should be way above him. However, the plot has Emerl going to use Final Egg Blaster to destroy the Earth, which then gets deactivated. Nothing indicates base forms being Tier 5 just from this but on to the next batch.

Actually, the plot of Sonic Unleashed is that the Chaos Emeralds were completely drained by Dark Gaia, and Dark Gaia used the negative energy of all 7 Chaos Emeralds to split the Earth and keep each Continent in a floating state. Each Chaos Emerald being placed at each Gaia Temple simply weakens Dark Gaia with each Chaos Emerald being restored. Implying that the Continents literally do simply fall back to Earth in place.

And I still believe that the intro to Sonic Advance 3 heavily implies the feat was done with all 7. The plot of the game does still show Eggman is in possession of all 7 Chaos Emeralds; and there's no reason not to assume that he used all 7 given it's consistent that planetary scale feats required all 7.

However worry not, but after further analysis; the last feat actually does appear to be 5-B. Eggrobo is absorbing all life on the planet, which is blatantly High 6-A, but the further statement about the Earth potentially blowing up does imply that Eggrobo does eventually start absorbing the Gravitational Binding Energy. That being said, he's defeated before he does that. He approaches 5-B for sure, but there's no proof of him actually reaching that. But if Sonic's being upgraded to 5-B, it would only be baselinish.

All in all, I'm still not convinced about the upgrades and most of the feats don't seem concrete enough to be Tier 5. Except for Eggrobo, but that's over time.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Alright I'm hitting the hay.

Edit: Nevermind (excellent timing lol). I'll sent my rebuttal in 15-20 minutes.

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

Well, this should be interesting