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Currently I've noticed that there has been an increase of Sonic the Hedgehog threads. I did ask questions but they were either ignored or shot down with a vague response. I didn't want to randomly derail any threads that are pretty active in there conversations, so I decided to make this one. In this thread I will like to discuss the scaling of the Sonic the Hedgehog universe, for the scaling is most confusing and contradictory. Inb4 you say variable tiers, outliers, 2-C divided by 2 isn't low 2-C, etc. Please hear me out and don't close this thread without me being able to defend my position. I'll go over the base forms quickly, then super forms then speed (and a Solaris thing). So without further ado, let's begin.
Base forms
In Sonic Lost World Eggman uses a generator to absorb earth's energy with a generator and puts that energy in the Eggrobo. The energy was calculated to be high 6-A and Sonic and co scale. There is a slight Problem with that rating though, the Eggrobo has enough energy to one shot Sonic even if he has rings. Base Black Doom needed the Eclipse Cannon to perform a high 6-A feat, Iblis is high 6-A even though 200 years later there are likely civilizations and working technology. Hell we don't even see anymore locations in the future. Ifrit wasn't even at full power when he was awakened and what planet did he scorch, can someone enlighten me on this? Literally everyone in the resistance was going to get OBLITERATED by Infinite's sun which was calced to be high 6-A. Those are just some things I wanted to point out. If there's a problem, we'll figure something out later.
Super forms
I will only be focused on the Hedgehog Trio and Blaze for now. Sonic and co are 2-C for Scaling to Solaris and the Eggwazard, but the problem is both feats literally contradict each other. The Eggwizard is only capable of destroying 2 space time continuums while Solaris can destroy a lot more. Why would Sonic and Blaze work together against Someone who's weaker to the villain prior to that? It's stated more than once that the chaos emeralds and the sol emeralds are inferior to the Power of the Stars. If both sets of emeralds are 2-C on it's own, why would Super Sonic need help, or why didn't both sets of emeralds destroy both space time continuum's instantly with twice as much power? It was a SLOW merging of both universes, and if I'm not mistaken that's high 3-A to low 2-C at best. Even Eggman's overall plan was to make one dimension with the sol emeralds alone and is completely blown away by the Power of the Stars because he himself said he never imagined such power, implying that each set of emeralds themselves are only universal+. Yes I know low 2-C and 2-C can't be quantifiably estimated through math but you do know that fiction doesn't follow our rules right? Both 2-C threats are literally treated as Characters who would slap those who dare use the chaos emeralds against them. The Time Eater on he other hand was dealt with no problem (other than the fact that two super forms were needed), there's even the fact that the chaos emeralds are likely comparable to the world rings (maybe). There was even a statement in Shadow the Hedgehog where Shadow said when he gets all seven chaos emeralds, he'll rule the universe, nothing more nothing less (he even knows what timelines and space times are). As for their low ends they Should be rated at least 5-A because it's redundant since they have a much higher rating.
Solaris
I think Solaris should be 2-B simply because of the maginary world. I remember asking why Sonic Shuffle was considered non canon and the response I got was "because it's literally not canon". Sonic Shuffle seems to fit in the storyline without contradicting events. So can someone please give me more reasons why it isn't considered canon on this wiki?
Conclusion
Ok so far the base forms are unknown (or unclear to be precise) until further notice. The weaker super forms should be specifically rated "at least 5-A likely far higher" for being far superior to the Negative energy of the chaos emeralds. The Hedgehog Trio and Blaze should be rated "at least 5-A likely low 2-C" with the full power of the positive energy of the chaos emeralds are capable of warping the entire fabric of space time, and is able to trade blows with the Time Eater.
BTW considering speed MFTL+ no immeasurable of infinite. The Time Eater has the ability to time travel and his warping arm attack is literally like Janemba but with more range. In the end I'll be ready to defend myself, and please don't Close this Thread if I'm not active for a while. Thank you.
Base forms
In Sonic Lost World Eggman uses a generator to absorb earth's energy with a generator and puts that energy in the Eggrobo. The energy was calculated to be high 6-A and Sonic and co scale. There is a slight Problem with that rating though, the Eggrobo has enough energy to one shot Sonic even if he has rings. Base Black Doom needed the Eclipse Cannon to perform a high 6-A feat, Iblis is high 6-A even though 200 years later there are likely civilizations and working technology. Hell we don't even see anymore locations in the future. Ifrit wasn't even at full power when he was awakened and what planet did he scorch, can someone enlighten me on this? Literally everyone in the resistance was going to get OBLITERATED by Infinite's sun which was calced to be high 6-A. Those are just some things I wanted to point out. If there's a problem, we'll figure something out later.
Super forms
I will only be focused on the Hedgehog Trio and Blaze for now. Sonic and co are 2-C for Scaling to Solaris and the Eggwazard, but the problem is both feats literally contradict each other. The Eggwizard is only capable of destroying 2 space time continuums while Solaris can destroy a lot more. Why would Sonic and Blaze work together against Someone who's weaker to the villain prior to that? It's stated more than once that the chaos emeralds and the sol emeralds are inferior to the Power of the Stars. If both sets of emeralds are 2-C on it's own, why would Super Sonic need help, or why didn't both sets of emeralds destroy both space time continuum's instantly with twice as much power? It was a SLOW merging of both universes, and if I'm not mistaken that's high 3-A to low 2-C at best. Even Eggman's overall plan was to make one dimension with the sol emeralds alone and is completely blown away by the Power of the Stars because he himself said he never imagined such power, implying that each set of emeralds themselves are only universal+. Yes I know low 2-C and 2-C can't be quantifiably estimated through math but you do know that fiction doesn't follow our rules right? Both 2-C threats are literally treated as Characters who would slap those who dare use the chaos emeralds against them. The Time Eater on he other hand was dealt with no problem (other than the fact that two super forms were needed), there's even the fact that the chaos emeralds are likely comparable to the world rings (maybe). There was even a statement in Shadow the Hedgehog where Shadow said when he gets all seven chaos emeralds, he'll rule the universe, nothing more nothing less (he even knows what timelines and space times are). As for their low ends they Should be rated at least 5-A because it's redundant since they have a much higher rating.
Solaris
I think Solaris should be 2-B simply because of the maginary world. I remember asking why Sonic Shuffle was considered non canon and the response I got was "because it's literally not canon". Sonic Shuffle seems to fit in the storyline without contradicting events. So can someone please give me more reasons why it isn't considered canon on this wiki?
Conclusion
Ok so far the base forms are unknown (or unclear to be precise) until further notice. The weaker super forms should be specifically rated "at least 5-A likely far higher" for being far superior to the Negative energy of the chaos emeralds. The Hedgehog Trio and Blaze should be rated "at least 5-A likely low 2-C" with the full power of the positive energy of the chaos emeralds are capable of warping the entire fabric of space time, and is able to trade blows with the Time Eater.
BTW considering speed MFTL+ no immeasurable of infinite. The Time Eater has the ability to time travel and his warping arm attack is literally like Janemba but with more range. In the end I'll be ready to defend myself, and please don't Close this Thread if I'm not active for a while. Thank you.
