Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Oreo166]

I guess I shouldn’t even have to ask about your guys’ thoughts on DB’s research and scaling for Shadow in that episode then…?

 

[Theuser789]

I guess I shouldn’t even have to ask about your guys’ thoughts on DB’s research and scaling for Shadow in that episode then…?

It was decent, but again, the episode was just a pity win so their fans can say they aren't biased. There's no way Shadow could even lose that fight.

 

[Oreo166]

It was decent, but again, the episode was just a pity win so their fans can say they aren't biased. There's no way Shadow could even lose that fight.

Wait, really? Even with them showcasing Shadow to be above planetary to “arguably universal” and vaguely FTL?

 

[Theuser789]

Wait, really? Even with them showcasing Shadow to be above planetary to “arguably universal” and vaguely FTL?

Base Shadow being planet level and Super Shadow being universal is fine and the episode didn't need more. Eggman vs Bowser will be the real deal.

 

[JJSliderman]

After watching some Sonic Shuffle gameplay, it seems that the Forcejewels only apply to themselves

They can also apply to cards and players, I imagine verse equalization would make jewels work on other items too.

 

[Oreo166]

Base Shadow being planet level and Super Shadow being universal is fine and the episode didn't need more. Eggman vs Bowser will be the real deal.

Granted, they DID accept that, but even then that was hardly what was mentioned for the most part tho…

Then again, I guess they wanted to do a Deku vs Asta and make it seem closer than it really is for some reason

 

[Dust_Collector]

Granted, they DID accept that, but even then that was hardly what was mentioned for the most part tho…

Then again, I guess they wanted to do a Deku vs Asta and make it seem closer than it really is for some reason

It's a thing DB tends to do, they'll often not use the highest ends for the winner if their low ends are all that's needed to win. It's basically to throw the loser a bone.

 

[Oreo166]

It's a thing DB tends to do, they'll often not use the highest ends for the winner if their low ends are all that's needed to win. It's basically to throw the loser a bone.

Figured. Let’s see what’s in the upcoming DB then…

 

[JJSliderman]

So, traveling between timelines physically is not immeasurable speed right?

 

[Remus1998]

So, traveling between timelines physically is not immeasurable speed right?

Apparently so

 

[JJSliderman]

That’s weird, in theory that can’t be done with quantifiable speed cuz of the dimensional gap.

 

[Remus1998]

We consider Crisis City to be a separate timeline right?

 

[JJSliderman]

Believe so, yes

 

[MysticMania]

People will say "powerscaling is subjective" but deny subjective bias in their reasonings and conclusions and act as if they're completely objective right afterwards, lol. Honestly if you still think Death Battle isn't biased at all then you're just extremely naive at this point.

It's impossible to not have bias within oneself. If you like stuff, then by default, you have bias.

 

[Omegabronic]

It was pretty good, but tbh the best part to me wasn't even part of the episode it was that the team really wanted Ryuko to win since a lot of them didn't like Shadow that much compared to other Sonic characters and they were trying to find any way to have her win until they realised she has no chance and they were kinda bummed out about it.

........what really? They were?

 

[MysticMania]

I feel like it would be good to give an example of them saying this, as an accusation without a source just feels like a rumor to be honest.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Like I said it was just something several people brought up in the DB discussion thread when one of their casts or Q&A's came out, it's like the only thing I remember from the time besides Weekly clogging up the thread with a thousands post arguing that Ryuko actually beats Shadow.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Like I said it was just something several people brought up in the DB discussion thread when one of their casts or Q&A's came out, it's like the only thing I remember from the time besides Weekly clogging up the thread with a thousands post arguing that Ryuko actually beats Shadow.

Dude, you just triggered a series of memories I had lodged in consciousness and made me remember the weeks Weekly spent in the DB Discussion Thread trying to argue that Ryuko beats Shadow for dubious and borderline nonsensical reasons.

Though I think Weekly was especially at his best whenever he was in a thread involving RWBY, the lengths he would go to arguing W's for RWBY characters were popcorn consumption levels of entertainment.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Knuckles gets sucked into a black hole. It might not be Low-Multiversal base sonic, but it is funny.
I figured this could be cool to share since Bowser VS Eggman is in discussion lately.

Interesting how he pops out of a white hole after getting sucked in, which is one of the theories for what would happen if you were to somehow survive getting sucked through a black hole. I thought Knuckles already resisted black holes on his profile, but if anything, this seems like support for 4-B Adventure base forms, right? Can you convert this to Imgur please? I can add it to my next CRT as a minor addition.

Speaking of which, I still have a lot of profiles to edit with the new revision lol. I just can't get into it due to how much stuff I'm working on and the limited amount of time I have on my laptop. Sorry Shake, but I won't be of much help with it for some time.

After watching some Sonic Shuffle gameplay, it seems that the Forcejewels only apply to themselves

I thought the same thing at first, but verse equalization flies in the face of that, unless you have proof I'm not aware of.

 

[Theuser789]

We consider Crisis City to be a separate timeline right?

Yes.

It's impossible to not have bias within oneself. If you like stuff, then by default, you have bias.

True. That's what I am saying. It can't be denied Death Battle is biased if powerscaling is subjective.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

True. That's what I am saying. It can't be denied Death Battle is biased if powerscaling is subjective.

I agree, but then what's your point with the sun disc? Is it subjective or is it objectively wrong to you?

 

[MysticMania]

True. That's what I am saying. It can't be denied Death Battle is biased if powerscaling is susubjective.

My point, as well, is that claiming bias does not matter, as all living beings inherently are.

 

[Theuser789]

I agree, but then what's your point with the sun disc? Is it subjective or is it objectively wrong to you?

It's proof Death Battle can make certain characters lose if they really want to. So, bias.

 

[MysticMania]

I don't mean this rudely but they didn't "make" Bardock lose, anymore than anything that ever decides a winner and loser. They sure did decide they feel Bardock loses, but, no alternative to decision besides indecision and drawing out of a hat, really.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

It's proof Death Battle can make certain characters lose if they really want to. So, bias.

Not what I was asking but whatever.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Everyone has at least some degree of personal bias effecting them in VS Debates.

It's something not everyone's ready to hear or realize, but it's true.

 

[Theuser789]

I don't mean this rudely but they didn't "make" Bardock lose, anymore than anything that ever decides a winner and loser. They sure did decide they feel Bardock loses, but, no alternative to decision besides indecision and drawing out of a hat, really.

The only way you can screw up with a calc like the Sun Disk is on purpose, so they purposely made Bardock lose, yes.

 

[MysticMania]

I'm bad at math, so I assure you I can screw up the sun disc very unintentionally.

 

[Theuser789]

I'm bad at math, so I assure you I can screw up the sun disc very unintentionally.

Nope. You have to purposely wank it and assume everything on its highest end to get results even near Death Battle's.

 

[MysticMania]

Hey I didn't make 30s in math class from 7th grade onwards for nothing

 

[Theuser789]

Honestly Death Battle being so grossly incompetent they can't even do a calc right isn't much better than they being biased.

 

[Snek]

Nope. You have to purposely wank it and assume everything on its highest end to get results even near Death Battle's.

I agree with the sentiment but I'd just like to say that we're the people who made moving a chunk of the earth a high 4C feat. So I don't think we have much ground to stand on here. Although we would if we went with high 5A.

 

[Theuser789]

I agree with the sentiment but I'd just like to say that we're the people who made moving a chunk of the earth a high 4C feat. So I don't think we have much ground to stand on here. Although we would if we went with high 5A.

Tbf at least we explain that with the planet being huge. I don't think the Sun Disk had any real explanation.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Tbf at least we explain that with the planet being huge. I don't think the Sun Disk had any real explanation.

Their explanation is that the Disc would have to be this huge is order to cover up the sun of a planet implied to be even more massive than Viltrum (as indicated by the aliens on it being superior to Viltrumites as a mere by-product of having adapted to its gravity. Can't say I agree since I'm bad at math too, but they did have a reasoning.

I agree with the sentiment but I'd just like to say that we're the people who made moving a chunk of the earth a high 4C feat. So I don't think we have much ground to stand on here. Although we would if we went with high 5A.

This is no different from Dragon Ball calcs that are nowhere near as controversial for some reason, except we have more of a leg to stand on. The continente moved at sub-relativistic speeds, and 0.5% of the "star piercing power" of the Eclipse Canon is explicitely only enough to destroy a city on that planet. This, on top of its multiple moons and large islands explicitely invisible from orbit.

 

[Theuser789]

Their explanation is that the Disc would have to be this huge is order to cover up the sun of a planet implied to be even more massive than Viltrum (as indicated by the aliens on it being superior to Viltrumites as a mere by-product of having adapted to its gravity. Can't say I agree since I'm bad at math too, but they did have a reasoning.

This still doesn't reach as high as the calc actually did.

 

[Snek]

This is no different from Dragon Ball calcs that are nowhere near as controversial for some reason, except we have more of a leg to stand on since 0.5% of the "star piercing power" of the Eclipse Canon is explicitely only enough to destroy a city on that planet. This, on top of its multiple moons and large islands explicitely invisible from ororbit.

I guess so but there's a small error there. The eclipse canon at the time wasn't powered by the emeralds since Sonic was in his super form so it wouldn't be 0.5% of the star piercing power. But the canon can still destroy the world without emeralds according to Geralds journal so your point still stands.

Also this is irrelevant but it's crazy that silver swatted away a city evaporating death ray like an absolute boss and still got knocked out by room sized explosion.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

so it wouldn't be 0.5% of the star piercing power.

He verbatim says that it is

 

[Omegabronic]

so it wouldn't be 0.5% of the star piercing power. But the canon can still destroy the world without emeralds according to Geralds journal so your point still stands.

Verbatim said to be how much power the cannon had to shoot

 

[Snek]

Verbatim said to be how much power the cannon had to shoot

Nevermind your right turns out I was reading a poorly translated version lol. On the topic of math it's funny that 1/200th the power to blow a hole through the sun is city level according to that story.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Since Shadow has been part of this discussion lately, what do you guys think of his Death Battle episode vs Ryuko?

Spectacle-wise it's the best Sonic DB,by far. All the others are kinda jank in one way or another.