Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Oreo166]

Hey, to anyone that’s like an EXPERT in Pokèmon and scaling the verse, how strong is Mewtwo’s mind hax in his strongest forms? And is it really passive to the point that it can’t be blitzed?

I ask this cuz I’ve been hearing this stuff a lot with him and I wanna know for sure if he’d actually be able to beat Shadow with it.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Spectacle-wise it's the best Sonic DB,by far. All the others are kinda jank in one way or another.

Trunks vs Silver was clearly better imo, but otherwise, I sadly agree.

 

[Theuser789]

I ask this cuz I’ve been hearing this stuff a lot with him and I wanna know for sure if he’d actually be able to beat Shadow with it.

Shadow resists it in several ways so even if it was passive he still wins.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Hey, to anyone that’s like an EXPERT in Pokèmon and scaling the verse, how strong is Mewtwo’s mind hax in his strongest forms? And is it really passive to the point that it can’t be blitzed?

I ask this cuz I’ve been hearing this stuff a lot with him and I wanna know for sure if he’d actually be able to beat Shadow with it.

I wouldn't call myself an expert. I'm not confidant enough in my knowledge for that, but are we talking composite Mewtwo? Game scaling alone consistantly puts him higher than individuals of the creation trio. There are no contradictions to this aside from non-game material, which makes Mewtwo countless 2-B to 2-A as a low-ball. Higher arguments for Pokemon cosmology can bump that up to 5D or 6D. As for speed, he upscales from the infinite speed stuff performed by Pokémon below the creation trio, and even legendary Pokémon as weak as Entei and Celebi have immeasurable speed argument for Mewtwo to upscale from as well. Much like the 6D arguments, I'm not sure if I buy them though. I lack context.

Edit: Woops. You asked about mind hax specifically. My bad.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Trunks vs Silver was clearly better imo, but otherwise, I sadly agree.

The final clash (Key Sword onward) is the only thing that's better imo.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

I'm still late to the party,are there some new mindhax resistence feats in SXSG?

 

[Oreo166]

Shadow resists it in several ways so even if it was passive he still wins.

From what I’ve heard tho, wasn’t Mewtwo’s mind hax able to work on beings resistant to mind control or even mindless beings?

 

[Theuser789]

From what I’ve heard tho, wasn’t Mewtwo’s mind hax able to work on beings resistant to mind control or even mindless beings?

So did the Ifrit's, at least on the resistance part and Shadow resisted it.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

So did the Ifrit's, at least on the resistance part and Shadow resisted it.

Huh? Shadow has layered mind hax resistance?

 

[Theuser789]

Huh? Shadow has layered mind hax resistance?

Sonic resists Dark Gaia's mind hax and the Ifrit still affected him.

 

[Oreo166]

So did the Ifrit's, at least on the resistance part and Shadow resisted it.

Ah okay. I see. Thanks!

 

[Oreo166]

Also, I hope you guys don’t mind all the questions I’ve been asking lately — and more that I will wanna ask.

If it becomes a bit much tho, please don’t be afraid to say so.

 

[Remus1998]

Sonic resists Dark Gaia's mind hax and the Ifrit still affected him.

You could upscale them from Void since the mind is an aspect of dreams now

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Damn, is anyone planning on adding this to a CRT in the future?

 

[Theuser789]

Damn, is anyone planning on adding this to a CRT in the future?

Not at the moment but technically everything is already accepted.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

I'm getting shell shock from just thinking about 2015-2018 YouTube/Google+ comments when it came to Sonic scaling. We were in the trenches without limbs.

 

[Oreo166]

I'm getting shell shock from just thinking about 2015-2018 YouTube/Google+ comments when it came to Sonic scaling. We were in the trenches without limbs.

Ah, don’t remind me of those days…

 

[Remus1998]

I'm getting shell shock from just thinking about 2015-2018 YouTube/Google+ comments when it came to Sonic scaling. We were in the trenches without limbs.

But equilibrium must be established for greater Sonic scaling we must now deal with more absurd downplay

 

[Oreo166]

But equilibrium must be established for greater Sonic scaling we must now deal with more absurd downplay

Oh gosh… what’s the downplay now? And where?

 

[ShrekAnakin]

I'm more comfortable giving Shadow the win over Mewtwo, with things being more debatable if we factor in Rainbow Rocket.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I'm more comfortable giving Shadow the win over Mewtwo, with things being more debatable if we factor in Rainbow Rocket.

Mewtwo is Shadow's best opponent, deadass. It sucks that the match was wasted on such a shitty spiteful episode and that it didn't win the rematch poll.

 

[MysticMania]

Where has Eggman used Blockite before?

 

[RedReaper616]

Where has Eggman used Blockite before?

He doesn't—Not directly. His machine, E-102, does. And it's explicitly an E-102 from comparable to his death (where he only was capable of what Eggman designed), meaning Eggman’s army (and thus himself) should have access to it with the improved E-Series and other gem-harmessing devices he has. Also, Eggman uses a Carbuncle and Geasdain, meaning he should be capable of using any Forcejewel as he pleases.

 

[MysticMania]

Thank you.

 

[Fireld]

Death Battle may not hate Dragon Ball but they sure as hell hate Saiyans

 

[Theuser789]

But equilibrium must be established for greater Sonic scaling we must now deal with more absurd downplay

That's what Death Battle is for. EggBow will make Sonic stronger here.

 

[JJSliderman]

Ngl kinda wish there was smthn more for showing that the individual Generations levels are universes than the Prima guide.

 

[Theuser789]

Ngl kinda wish there was smthn more for showing that the individual Generations levels are universes than the Prima guide.

Gerald in japanese says he and Maria are returning to their own timeline so there's that, as well.

 

[JJSliderman]

I know sometimes that “point in time” gets translated as timeline.

Kinda doesn’t make sense for them to come from an alternate universe.

That and Time Eater could have just, plucked them from their time like it did to classic Eggman.

And, doesn’t speak much to the size of the levels since none of them take place while Gerald was alive.

 

[Omegabronic]

That and Time Eater could have just, plucked them from their time like it did to classic Eggman.

It was Black Doom who brought them, not the Time Eater, else they would be erased

 

[JJSliderman]

Same story really, it’s not clear if their erased period is the same size spatially as the levels, or if they’re universal spatially outside the strategy guide statement.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Mewtwo is Shadow's best opponent, deadass. It sucks that the match was wasted on such a shitty spiteful episode and that it didn't win the rematch poll.

Yeah, it's the best for both without a doubt. It does suck though that the animator got pissed and the fight was cucked. The analysis were actually decent from what I remember, so giving a better fight would've done the episode so many favors.

 

[ShakeResounding]

It does suck though that the animator got pissed and the fight was cucked.

Mind elaborating on this? I was unaware of anything regarding the animator and hard feelings

 

[Theuser789]

The analysis were actually decent from what I remember, so giving a better fight would've done the episode so many favors.

Shadow loses because of a hax he resists while showing footage of him resisting said hax.

Nah.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Where has Eggman used Blockite before?

The only Forcejewels he's explicitely shown using are the carbuncle, geasdain, and I believe another one I don't remember, but that alone is enough to prove that he can use Forcejewels, and he has an easier access to them due to ultimately being the one to hand them out to the playable characters at the end of minigames in the first place. Blockite specifically doesn't even need to be used, it just need to be held in your inventory.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Mind elaborating on this? I was unaware of anything regarding the animator and hard feelings

Rumors has it the the animator who made the episode was leaving the show on bad terms, and that's why it came out so horribly that the background is straight up missing from two shots.

 

[Fireld]

Nah.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Mr. "Cowards run, I win" here shouldn't be saying that shit when he allowed himself to become a Zombot due to his arrogance and short sighted stupidity.

This is just my coping mechanism, but I honestly believe that they made Shadow a Zombot because Shadow would've solved things a lot faster.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Nah.

Pre analyses not the post. However Shadow should absolutely counter Mewtwo's mind hax.

 

[ShrekAnakin]

Mind elaborating on this? I was unaware of anything regarding the animator and hard feelings

"This episode's fight animation was originally meant to be significantly different. However, while it was initially rumored that the animator Donimations did a poor job on the fight on purpose because they did not enjoy making VS animations anymore, in actuality, he had been going through struggles with the creative process and personal responsibilities like college at the time, thus forcing him to rush his animation projects, resulting in the fight's current infamous quality."

From the DB Wiki page.