Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Omegabronic · 2024-11-01T17:14:09+0000

RedReaper616 said:
The End said that relative to Sonic’s memory, which does not contain Solaris. Despite the weird reference in TSR, no one remembers. See Sonic’s first encounter with Silver after 06, (they didn't remember each other at all and this was their “first time” meeting), and Shadow Generations (Shadow doesn't remember Mephiles, had thus Solaris, at all).

Sonic does remember Solaris and 06 by the time of Frontiers, hence he remembering Silver saying those things in TSR

Issen_Mk_III · 2024-11-01T17:15:18+0000

Chaos Angel Zone also has multiple moons,one that's absolutely massive,too.

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T17:17:30+0000

Omegabronic said:
The End tanked 4 Peak Super Form opponents at once and they couldn't beat it no matter what they tried, needing to seal him.....Solaris was taken down by 3

also read Sonic's mind, saw all that he ever fought, including the Eggwizard who is >> Solaris as it is more powerful than the Sol and Chaos Emeralds individually, needing the full power + Team work of both Sonic and Blaze to beat, and still said itself superior to them and "finite"

Is the Egg Wizard officially accepted to be superior to Solaris on here? I personally agree, but there's no consensus anywhere. If there is, it's usually in Solaris' favor.

Omegabronic · 2024-11-01T17:19:06+0000

Issen_Mk_III said:
Chaos Angel Zone also has multiple moons,one that's absolutely massive,too.

yeah......but that is a pocket dimension Eggman made

Omegabronic · 2024-11-01T17:20:10+0000

Peptocoptr27 said:
Is the Egg Wizard officially accepted to be superior to Solaris on here? I personally agree, but there's no consensus anywhere. If there is, it's usually in Solaris' favor.

i mean.....duh? just like how the Time Eater is >>, and the 4 Titans, and The End, arguably Dark Gaia, the powercreep of "Stronger Base form = Stronger Super Form" is strong

Issen_Mk_III · 2024-11-01T17:21:13+0000

Omegabronic said:
yeah......but that is a pocket dimension Eggman made

Was it? I thought that was only implied in Post-SGW,not Sega Sonic.

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T17:36:32+0000

RedReaper616 said:
The End said that relative to Sonic’s memory, which does not contain Solaris.

Sonic does remember 06 and that's already accepted in this website. Shadow not remembering Mephiles doesn't mean much (And ironically enough, Blaze does remember Crisis City in Gens).

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T17:38:07+0000

Peptocoptr27 said:
Is the Egg Wizard officially accepted to be superior to Solaris on here? I personally agree, but there's no consensus anywhere. If there is, it's usually in Solaris' favor.

Officially, no. That's just Omega's take. Personally I think only the Titans and The End is stronger than Solaris.

ShrekAnakin · 2024-11-01T17:55:41+0000

ShakeResounding said:
Ah yes, I remember all the random purple satellites portrayed throughout the franchise KEK

Eh, fair. Still doesn't make sense tho

The big thing we must ask...

Was that weird planet thing in the background of the Solaris fight The End?

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T17:57:13+0000

ShrekAnakin said:
The big thing we must ask...

Was that weird planet thing in the background of the Solaris fight The End?

Screenshot plz?

ShrekAnakin · 2024-11-01T18:04:39+0000

Peptocoptr27 said:
Screenshot plz?

Blurry ass screenshot (**** you Reddit) but if you look close enough, you'll see a purple moon shaped thingy. It probably isn't the end though unless you really buy into schizo theories.

https://preview.redd.it/so-is-the-end-the-most-powerful-enemy-sonic-has-beaten-v0-bwx4bwh8ffuc1.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1e00bdf5cf530bd478eef0ca2d4f66ca95925cd4

SJG13673 · 2024-11-01T18:07:43+0000

I wonder if Solaris can get Zenkai Boosts, I heard that Phoenixes besides reviving also get stronger after death

SJG13673 · 2024-11-01T18:08:47+0000

ShrekAnakin said:
Blurry ass screenshot (**** you Reddit) but if you look close enough, you'll see a purple moon shaped thingy. It probably isn't the end though unless you really buy into schizo theories.

https://preview.redd.it/so-is-the-end-the-most-powerful-enemy-sonic-has-beaten-v0-bwx4bwh8ffuc1.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1e00bdf5cf530bd478eef0ca2d4f66ca95925cd4

It's just his projectiles and eyes, I don't see anything else

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T18:19:49+0000

ShrekAnakin said:
Blurry ass screenshot (**** you Reddit) but if you look close enough, you'll see a purple moon shaped thingy. It probably isn't the end though unless you really buy into schizo theories.

https://preview.redd.it/so-is-the-end-the-most-powerful-enemy-sonic-has-beaten-v0-bwx4bwh8ffuc1.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=1e00bdf5cf530bd478eef0ca2d4f66ca95925cd4

Isn't this just Solaris meteor attacks?

ShrekAnakin · 2024-11-01T18:21:16+0000

Theuser789 said:
Isn't this just Solaris meteor attacks?

Yeah, I think that was the case. The only reason it'd be The End is if you really wanna push fanfic theories towards it.

SJG13673 · 2024-11-01T18:27:07+0000

Really want Solaris, not Mephiles, to actually be explored from a character perspective, give him solid motivation, maybe tie him into lore with Maginaryworld, as he and Illumina are similar in that they are fusion gods from two halves, maybe make him Sonic's Beerus type character

ShrekAnakin · 2024-11-01T18:29:17+0000

SJG13673 said:
Really want Solaris, not Mephiles, to actually be explored from a character perspective, give him solid motivation, maybe tie him into lore with Maginaryworld, as he and Illumina are similar in that they are fusion gods from two halves, maybe make him Sonic's Beerus type character

Cylent-Nite kino? I see where we're cooking.

SJG13673 · 2024-11-01T18:32:21+0000

ShrekAnakin said:
Cylent-Nite kino? I see where we're cooking.

I drew them myself too, added in Al and Cal, as they are my favs and planning to add Argus from Chronicles and Ixis from Archie Reboot too

MysticMania · 2024-11-01T18:47:12+0000

Peptocoptr27 said:
NONE! WE ARE DONE EDITING THE SIZE OF SONIC'S EARTH OK???

suspiciously earth shaped crt

JJSliderman · 2024-11-01T19:04:42+0000

The next CRT will make the planet infinite size via Otherworld

Executor_N0 · 2024-11-01T19:16:04+0000

Issen_Mk_III said:
Was it? I thought that was only implied in Post-SGW,not Sega Sonic.

It was, but then the Encyclospeedia came and said it's also the case with Sega Sonic. Maybe some guidebook said that before and that is where it came from, but as of now that is the official word on that game.

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T19:51:49+0000

Unrelated, but how can we prove Sonic was the one to change the fate written in the pages of the Arabian Nights and not Shara?

JJSliderman · 2024-11-01T20:08:37+0000

You know, not entirely sure, since it can be interpreted in the context of SR as Sonic either passively manipulating fate to have Shahra protect him, or Shahra actively defying fate.

It’s more just future games giving Sonic more reasons to resist fate, like Frontiers.

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T20:16:41+0000

JJSliderman said:
You know, not entirely sure, since it can be interpreted in the context of SR as Sonic either passively manipulating fate to have Shahra protect him, or Shahra actively defying fate.

It’s more just future games giving Sonic more reasons to resist fate, like Frontiers.

Does Sonic withstanding Ifrit's text burning flames and Time Eater's plot erasure count as supporting evidence for the former or are they separate things?

JJSliderman · 2024-11-01T20:18:04+0000

Well in this case, the fate manipulation is tied to what the text says, so destroying the text itself isn’t equivalent to destroying fate.

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T20:26:29+0000

JJSliderman said:
Well in this case, the fate manipulation is tied to what the text says, so destroying the text itself isn’t equivalent to destroying fate.

Does the same go for plot?

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T20:30:27+0000

Peptocoptr27 said:
Does the same go for plot?

The text IS the plot so most likely not.

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T21:00:37+0000

I just found out that the Jade Ghost can also steal items from opponents if anyone is interested in that for Death Battle purposes:

Jade Wisp

The Jade Wisp[1] (ジェイドウィスプ, Jeido Wisupu?) is a creature that appears in the Sonic the Hedgehog series. It is a breed of Wisps that grants the Jade Ghost Color Power. Like other Wisps, Jade Wisps are composed entirely of Hyper-go-on, a powerful energy that serves as their life sources.[2][3]...

sonic.fandom.com

In Sonic Racing, the Jade Wisps appear as Item Box power-ups on the game's race tracks. In gameplay, the Jade Wisp power-ups allow the player to harness the power of the Jade Ghost, thus preventing them from colliding with anything while also stealing a Wisp from a nearby opponent. In addition, the Jade Wisps can be upgraded by the player to increase the range they can steal from and the level of the stolen Wisp.

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T21:35:10+0000

Theuser789 said:
I just found out that the Jade Ghost can also steal items from opponents if anyone is interested in that for Death Battle purposes:

Jade Wisp

The Jade Wisp[1] (ジェイドウィスプ, Jeido Wisupu?) is a creature that appears in the Sonic the Hedgehog series. It is a breed of Wisps that grants the Jade Ghost Color Power. Like other Wisps, Jade Wisps are composed entirely of Hyper-go-on, a powerful energy that serves as their life sources.[2][3]...

sonic.fandom.com

It's also layered intagibillity. Is it accepted to be layered already?

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T21:43:16+0000

Peptocoptr27 said:
It's also layered intagibillity. Is it accepted to be layered already?

I don’t think so.

JJSliderman · 2024-11-01T21:50:40+0000

Maybe a discussion should be made on this in the future

Peptocoptr27 said:
Unrelated, but how can we prove Sonic was the one to change the fate written in the pages of the Arabian Nights and not Shara?

Omegabronic · 2024-11-01T21:54:40+0000

Issen_Mk_III said:
Was it? I thought that was only implied in Post-SGW,not Sega Sonic.

Advance 3's guide iirc

Oreo166 · 2024-11-01T22:13:15+0000

Omegabronic said:
Yep, as he went Super without a single ring in his debue no less

For real? As in way back in Sonic 2? That’s kinda crazy if that’s true.

Even so tho, why didn’t Sonic just stay in his Super state throughout the game when finding and fighting each titan?

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T22:15:05+0000

Oreo166 said:
Even so tho, why didn’t Sonic just stay in his Super state throughout the game when finding and fighting each titan?

He loses the form to random Ancient Weapons when he arrives to the next island.

Oreo166 · 2024-11-01T22:21:42+0000

Theuser789 said:
He loses the form to random Ancient Weapons when he arrives to the next island.

Where was that stated or implied?

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T22:23:21+0000

Oreo166 said:
Where was that stated or implied?

It's straight up shown every time he arrives to a new island lol

GlaceonGamez471 · 2024-11-01T22:25:59+0000

Oreo166 said:
Where was that stated or implied?

It's shown on screen during each island transition. For example:

Issen_Mk_III · 2024-11-01T22:36:39+0000

Omegabronic said:
Advance 3's guide iirc

Interesting. Wouldn't that nebula during Nonaggression be part of the pocket dimension? Wouldn't that make a singular emerald like,4-B/4-A or something?

Peptocoptr27 · 2024-11-01T22:39:01+0000

Issen_Mk_III said:
Interesting. Wouldn't that nebula during Nonagression be part of the pocket dimension? Wouldn't that make a singular emerald like,4-B/4-A or something?

Oh god damn it. I ******* hope not lol

Theuser789 · 2024-11-01T22:39:57+0000

Advance 3 Sonic already scales to 4-A, no?

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