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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Layered time hax
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Can layered time hax get past Immeasurable speed?
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Well it affected Super Sonic with his immeasurable scaling.
Downgrading TE wouldn’t really work cuz he has an immeasurable feat himself, and so does Super Sonic
Downgrading TE wouldn’t really work cuz he has an immeasurable feat himself, and so does Super Sonic
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Yeah but with Metal Overlord it's just another reason why the Super Forms in that fight are not in that upper echelon, as if there wasn't enough reason as is. There's no Immeasurable feat in Sonic Heroes
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Chaos Control ain’t exactly normal time manip, it’s reality warping shenanigans that extends beyond the reach of time.
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But what's the application of it in this moment? Time stop
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nah, Chaos Control is just that busted, Super Forms' acausality type 4 also has them operate under a different law of time, similar thing happened with the Time Eater when he slowed them down in time by manipulating the time flow of the Hypertimeline
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yep, as in, Time Hax can affect Immeasurable speed beings, it just needs to be strong enough to do that
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Time Eater I get more because the hypertimeline is directly involved, plus Super Sonic literally has an Immeasurable speed feat in said fight.
But for Metal Overlord? No, this response is the equivalent of a 7-B character dying to a regular gunshot and responding with "well the gun was 7-B"
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you are the one who said, and i quote "Honestly, looking at all the evidence, I question why Metal Overlord wasn't scaled to the Emeralds' full power from the start..."
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@CloverDragon03 Neutral on the Metal Overlord scaling thing, but iirc there are quite a few Immeasurables on the site that still get affected by Time Stop/other time shenanigans. It's just treated as stronger time manipulation, though it obviously depends on the circumstance.
In some cases, it CAN be an anti-feat. But as Omega pointed out; Supers no-sell Egg Reverie's time fuckery just fine, and we treat that battle as a Low 2-C one.
In some cases, it CAN be an anti-feat. But as Omega pointed out; Supers no-sell Egg Reverie's time fuckery just fine, and we treat that battle as a Low 2-C one.
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meh, he copied the Data of Perfect Chaos, so he should be the peak by default...........oh wait, i still need to make that thread eh? Hmmmm, mayber after the cosmology one, yeah
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btw if the crosswords wasn't clear enough, i am clearly being dramatic and joking up above.................can't believe i have to explain my puns.........
WHERE DID I GO WRONG? WHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRREEEEEE?????????!!!!!!!
WHERE DID I GO WRONG? WHHHHHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRREEEEEE?????????!!!!!!!
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And then I saw new evidence (and Metal Overlord is JOBBING to Base Shadow now)
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It's Metal Madness, a weaker/incomplete form, that gets effected by Chaos Control in Heroes. Metal Overlord resisted it in Shadow Generations
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I literally have the thread at the ready
The Super Forms that fought him are affected by Chaos Control
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Lol, lmao even
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I wanna chalk this up to Metal Overlord improving upon the abilities of those he copies, as the recent clip of the fight we got in Shadow Gens confirms he also gets resistances to what he copies.
Remember that even the lowest tiers of Supers resist the Egg Reverie's time shenanigans, f÷@king Super Mighty and Super Ray resist it kek
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Btw where’s the “full power of the Emeralds” statement for Perfect Chaos on Sonic Channel? I tried looking through Chaos’ character page, but Google translate isn’t giving me anything relating to “full power”. Obviously Google translate is far from accurate, so I was wondering if that statement is just getting lost in translation or if it’s on a different page.
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It’s on super Sonic’s page in SC, in the Adventure segment
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Thanks, I found it. Yeah it’s pretty blatant, at least as far as the machine translation is concerned, so if a proper translation gives the same thing then it would just be a matter of if “only” a Sonic Channel statement is enough for mods. I say “only” in quotations because Chaos does also have good reasons in the story and lore to bring out that much power. Tbh it feels iffy to give Perfect Chaos 1-C just from a Sonic Channel statement, but again the statement is very blatant so I can’t really be against it.
In the event that 1-C Perfect Chaos isn’t accepted and Metal Overlord does get downgraded, are there any other good arguments to scale Metal higher than just Low 2-C or nah? I can already think of using the “unimaginable power” Chaos Emeralds statement in conjunction with the Precioustone, but I’m worried that won’t be enough. Hopefully it should at least give a possibly/likely rating, but even that might not be the case if Perfect Chaos’s statement doesn’t give him 1-C.
In the event that 1-C Perfect Chaos isn’t accepted and Metal Overlord does get downgraded, are there any other good arguments to scale Metal higher than just Low 2-C or nah? I can already think of using the “unimaginable power” Chaos Emeralds statement in conjunction with the Precioustone, but I’m worried that won’t be enough. Hopefully it should at least give a possibly/likely rating, but even that might not be the case if Perfect Chaos’s statement doesn’t give him 1-C.
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Any ideas for a Solaris match-up? Perhaps Hyper Sonic?
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Already done, Sonic was deemed the winner (albeit this was when he was part of modern)
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Was a classic or modern Hyper Sonic used at the time? Would it still have any difference??
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Actually there is one, the characters can go and catch a chaos emerald flying in the special stage.
Unless we consider special stages non canon
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I've seen some arguments about infinite speed Adventure Era base cast (Sonic flying to the center of 4th Dimensional Space or something/Sonic percieving and reacting to Shadow's Chaos Control). Are you guys gonna do anything about that? Maybe as a likely or possibly?
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Wasn't planning on it. Not worth the hassle. Might as well argue for immeasurable speed base Classic Sonic while we're at it
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I did bring up the 4-D space one, it’s probably infinite but I don’t see it going through outside of “infinite within 4-D space” like they did with immeasurable Gens.
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Ngl Generations and all these guides just have me believe that powerscaling Sonic is a ******* nightmare. Overlord and Perfect Chaos should NOT be getting checked by Base characters ever it's so ******* silly for specifically VS trying to go through hoops trying to explain these feats.
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So first you give infinite speed and now you take away…
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