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We are twoYes, even though I wish he didn't touch VS Stuff ever
Metal Overlord will probably be downgraded to Low 2-C tbhI still can’t get over how 6-D base modern cast is possibly gonna be real. I doubt it’ll actually happen especially since I think you can argue that Metal Overlord is only above what Eggman had seen of the Emeralds at that point (although the rest of the context does heavily point towards it being the actual full power), but the fact that the Phantom Ruby and related parties have superiority statements that also support it is pretty nutty. Also apparently Perfect Chaos had the “full power” of the Emeralds, which if that statement comes from a reputable enough source (“cough” Tikal “cough”) is another pointer towards 1-C base modern cast. There might also be something else I’m missing as well.
Sonic powerscaling is so funny, like why can you genuinely argue that someone like Tangle can solo the entire final boss catalogue (barring the literal most recent one)?
Feels like moreso only for particular characters more than anything, mostly playable characters already with super forms and massive power increases. So Sonic and Shadow may be top tiers in that regard.I still can’t get over how 6-D base modern cast is possibly gonna be real. I doubt it’ll actually happen especially since I think you can argue that Metal Overlord is only above what Eggman had seen of the Emeralds at that point (although the rest of the context does heavily point towards it being the actual full power), but the fact that the Phantom Ruby and related parties have superiority statements that also support it is pretty nutty. Also apparently Perfect Chaos had the “full power” of the Emeralds, which if that statement comes from a reputable enough source (“cough” Tikal “cough”) is another pointer towards 1-C base modern cast. There might also be something else I’m missing as well.
Sonic powerscaling is so funny, like why can you genuinely argue that someone like Tangle can solo the entire final boss catalogue (barring the literal most recent one)?
Realistically yeah he probably will, but it would be funny if we managed to get an upgrade out of it instead. There’s a scary amount of stuff to support it, even some stuff used for Low 2-C can potentially be used to support 6-D.Metal Overlord will probably be downgraded to Low 2-C tbh
I think every modern character would become 6-D, since everyone’s already Low 2-C and they all scale to a version of Sonic immensely above his Generations self. The consequences of being a multimedia franchise where everyone has some level of relevancy.Feels like moreso only for particular characters more than anything, mostly playable characters already with super forms and massive power increases, so Knuckles, Tails, Silver, Blaze, etc. Any characters that don't tap into such wouldn't get the 1-C base capability.
Oh dang, I didn’t even think about this making characters Immeasurable. That might complicate things. I mean I feel like them already being Infinite should mean that Immeasurable wouldn’t be too hard to justify (especially since Sonic technically has his own Immeasurable feat), however I’m not the best with all these higher end mechanics so maybe there’s something I’m missing.So does this mean that Shadow now scales to Sonic's immeasurable speeds in base?
Again, only Shadow and Sonic would likely be the examples of immeasurable speed due to their feats pertaining to Generation and erased time. I still feel like the 1-C tiering wouldn't scale for other characters for the sake of convenience. Maybe at most "Possibly 1-C" for Shadow and Sonic by feats in Generations until other characters perform similar feats of fighting end-game bosses in base form.Realistically yeah he probably will, but it would be funny if we managed to get an upgrade out of it instead. There’s a scary amount of stuff to support it, even some stuff used for Low 2-C can potentially be used to support 6-D.
I think every modern character would become 6-D, since everyone’s already Low 2-C and they all scale to a version of Sonic immensely above his Generations self. The consequences of being a multimedia franchise where everyone has some level of relevancy.
Oh dang, I didn’t even think about this making characters Immeasurable. That might complicate things. I mean I feel like them already being Infinite should mean that Immeasurable wouldn’t be too hard to justify (especially since Sonic technically has his own Immeasurable feat), however I’m not the best with all these higher end mechanics so maybe there’s something I’m missing.
No base character can possibly beat or even hurt Solaris due to his physiology.Sonic powerscaling is so funny, like why can you genuinely argue that someone like Tangle can solo the entire final boss catalogue (barring the literal most recent one)?
How did I forget about Solaris?No base character can possibly beat or even hurt Solaris due to his physiology.
I don’t think it would work that way. If Sonic and Shadow’s ratings change from this (big if, it’s a really wacky and goofy proposal no matter how much evidence supports it) then everyone’s ratings would change. That’s just how it always works. Unless I’m misunderstanding you?Again, only Shadow and Sonic would likely be the examples of immeasurable speed due to their feats pertaining to Generation and erased time. I still feel like the 1-C tiering wouldn't scale for other characters for the sake of convenience. Maybe at most "Possibly 1-C" for Shadow and Sonic by feats in Generations until other characters perform similar feats of fighting end-game bosses in base form.
Eh. If Shadow just gets Immeasurable speed and doesn't get 1-C, I'd probably be happy. We're screwed if Solaris somehow gets a boss fight and its base form again, though. If it's Mephiles, good.I don’t think it would work that way. If Sonic and Shadow’s ratings change from this (big if, it’s a really wacky and goofy proposal no matter how much evidence supports it) then everyone’s ratings would change. That’s just how it always works. Unless I’m misunderstanding you?
We do though. The statements about Metal Overlord are likely only from the limited PoV of Eggman based on what he's seen the Chaos Emeralds capable ofCan we just stop downgrading everything for the sake of it?
We have no reason to make this downgrades beyond not wanting to make the characters at the same level of a super form (at least a previous super form power)
that argument can be used for almost all bosses.We do though. The statements about Metal Overlord are likely only from the limited PoV of Eggman based on what he's seen the Chaos Emeralds capable of
That's not my point. My point is that the Chaos Emeralds never showed any Low 1-C scaling by that point. So why would Eggman factor in the likes of Solaris when saying he doubts even the Chaos Emeralds would be enough, even though nothing like that has appeared yet?Who is smarter than Eggman appart from tails in this series?
that still does not make the downgrade better, also are we assuming the chaos emeralds get stronger?or the power varies?That's not my point. My point is that the Chaos Emeralds never showed any Low 1-C scaling by that point. So why would Eggman factor in the likes of Solaris when saying he doubts even the Chaos Emeralds would be enough, even though nothing like that has appeared yet?
The power does vary, yes. That's explicitly stated with the Chaos Emeraldsthat still does not make the downgrade better, also are we assuming the chaos emeralds get stronger?or the power varies?
where?at best is that you can enhance yourself if you use little bit of its power, but when you turn Super, you are using the full power (at least the full power that can be known naturally and not if you are a echidna like Knuckles)The power does vary, yes. That's explicitly stated with the Chaos Emeralds
where?at best is that you can enhance yourself if you use little bit of its power, but when you turn Super, you are using the full power (at least the full power that can be known naturally and not if you are a echidna like Knuckles)
Yeah but now we have more proof that the great of the characters can surpass a super form, and there is hard reasons for us to downgrade Metal overlord nowAlso this has been accepted for the longest time lmao
Then what do we do?wait until the Game release to see more?No...?
This doesn't magically change the variable nature of the power of the Chaos Emeralds
If Base Shadow is fighting on par with Metal Overlord, then we downgrade him to Low 2-C, because there was already potential reason to do so and now we're being given even more of a reasonThen what do we do?wait until the Game release to see more?
Same questionWhy not just upgrade base characters to 1-C…
Not even FSL makes a downgrade to that levelIf Base Shadow is fighting on par with Metal Overlord, then we downgrade him to Low 2-C, because there was already potential reason to do so and now we're being given even more of a reason
Do I really need to answer that...?Why not just upgrade base characters to 1-C…
Idk who that is and I don't care if you think this is the worst downgrade to ever existNot even FSL makes a downgrade to that level
The other bosses actually have 1-C feats themselves.that argument can be used for almost all bosses.
No, it is not, characters grow in power, is not wank.Do I really need to answer that...?
Put simply, 1-C Base Sonic is turbo wank
Fire Force had the worst downgradeIdk who that is and I don't care if you think this is the worst downgrade to ever exist
Which just makes the chaos emeralds that powerful... no problem.The other bosses actually have 1-C feats themselves.
It is already outrageous that Classic Sonic can restore time like his future self.Look I love Sonic, but the notion that he, IN BASE FORM, is capable of punching in 6D is actually outrageous along with him being on the same tier as his super form, which is treated as an unfathomably higher power level. Low 2c has way more reliable feats other than just scaling to boss A or boss B who are 1C lol.
Base cast are getting 2-C (6 universes) soonLook I love Sonic, but the notion that he, IN BASE FORM, is capable of punching in 6D is actually outrageous along with him being on the same tier as his super form, which is treated as an unfathomably higher power level. Low 2c has way more reliable feats other than just scaling to boss A or boss B who are 1C lol.
The universe upgrade means a lot of the low2c feats will be 2c now iirc so that’s fine.Base cast are getting 2-C (6 universes) soon
You completely misunderstood where thise ratings came from, but tbf, they are confusingSo is there a timeline that explains the canonical time between Sonic Rush and Shadow the Hedgehog? Because Devil Doom is "At Least Low 2-C" whilst the Egg Salamander is "At Most 2-C".
Here's a timeline blogSo is there a timeline that explains the canonical time between Sonic Rush and Shadow the Hedgehog? Because Devil Doom is "At Least Low 2-C" whilst the Egg Salamander is "At Most 2-C".
Yeah, that was my bad.You completely misunderstood where thise ratings came from, but tbf, they are confusing