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Bruh, what tier would you have the base characters at then?
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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ShakeResounding
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All respect to Mystic, I just find it hard to ignore all the statements of the cast growing strength (be it Sonic, Shadow, Chaos/Emerl via Chaos Emeralds, basically all of Sonic Battle, etc.).
I can understand it to an extent though.
I can understand it to an extent though.
MysticMania
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I mainly use Sonic Prime episode 1, with the creation of Shatterverse. Since that basically blew up the universe, and Sonic withstood that, I put base Sonic characters at Universal-ish (whatever size the universe in Sonic may be).
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MysticMania
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Before Sonic Prime, I mainly scaled the base cast to SCR-HD creating that stars and galaxy-containing black hole at the end of Zero Gravity. I still do buy that, but, I now feel the Shatterverse feat is a higher level than that.
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If they don’t grow in power that means classic was Uni+/2-C all along…which I agree with cuz single timeline theory.
MysticMania
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I am evil, like that
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Not really. This is going to be a future CRT when the game comes out.
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I don't buy Base Shadow being anywhere near Metal Overlord's level. I think it might an outlier,all around. Unless you believe some random floating cylinders are somehow complex-multi.
VERY nice Supporting Me arrange though.
VERY nice Supporting Me arrange though.
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The Silver game could include a Solaris fight with base Silver and people would still find a way to say it doesn’t count.
MysticMania
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I am curious if it may be Metal Madness? But yeah, that Supporting Me remix was delightful.
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Metal Overlord shouldn't be complex multi in the first place. I always found the argument for it to be sus
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Being frank, I only really find it sus because Super forms should just grow in power over time like most other characters with transformations, but people don’t like that.
MysticMania
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That is actually where I put him, but, I understand scaling changes depending on what you buy of course, etc.
GlaceonGamez471
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Metal has wings and is flying there, it's Overlord
MysticMania
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I'm pretty sure Madness has the same wings. And I think he even flies in that boss fight as well, he just isn't flying around the place like Overlord. He's hovering in place, from what it looks like.
ShakeResounding
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Nah, compare designs and you'll see it's plainly Overlord. Madness has no distinct wings like that at the bottom portion of his body
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They make a big deal out of him growing wings in the cutscene after the Madness fight, and in that cutscene he starts off fused with the airship
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MysticMania
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Oh, right! He does sprout the wing's blades after defeating Madness. Thank you for reminding me of that.
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I find off the fact that we have to downgrade the characters so the scaling chain makes sense, it only makes sense for classic characters.
dowgrading this guys just because you found the scaling off sounds like a big bias, specially if we are still thinking in the chaos emeralds having varied power (which only works if we assume Sonic is having a bad performance almost all the time, which sounds even more stupid)
dowgrading this guys just because you found the scaling off sounds like a big bias, specially if we are still thinking in the chaos emeralds having varied power (which only works if we assume Sonic is having a bad performance almost all the time, which sounds even more stupid)
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You know now that I think about it why do we assume super Sonic's power can only be at two specific levels rather than anywhere in between full power and his standard level of strength. After all it's a big strech to just assume the emeralds were at their absolute limit against metal overlord instead of for example at most 2-C like the egg salamander or any other tier below 1-C by virtue of how a varies rating works.
That said I think we should downgrade metal overlord to low 2-C but add a possibly far higher rating to any low 2-C who fought super Sonic to account for the varies rating.
That said I think we should downgrade metal overlord to low 2-C but add a possibly far higher rating to any low 2-C who fought super Sonic to account for the varies rating.
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If Sonic fights against Egg salamander with help, why would he use his lowest end of power?
MysticMania
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I do feel it would be odd for Super, thus the Emeralds, to not be full power against Overlord, since it seems they felt 3 Super beings would be needed to take them down.
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Eggman also directly comments the Emeralds straight up might not be enough. Not “Super Sonic at THIS level,” but that the Emeralds, in their entirety, are potentially not strong enough to beat Metal.
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I don't know if they brought 3 super forms to fight out of necessity or convenience though. After all more back up is always a good thing regardless of the opponent.
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Definitely necessity, considering you can’t even hurt Overlord without team blast.
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Right I forgot about that part.
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