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Grow in power =/= being 1-C
1-C Base Sonic is genuinely absurd and I don't get why we're talking as if it's at all reasonable
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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1-C Base Sonic is genuinely absurd and I don't get why we're talking as if it's at all reasonable
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Agreed. I believe it was a result of it requiring 3 Super Forms, but it's all context-dependent
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Extreme power growth, also the hedgehog can restore time, it is not unreasonable
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the three of them needed to use a special ability all together, Solaris didn't require that at all
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It's probably gonna either be Shadow being 1-C with Doom's powers or Metal Overlord getting downgraded into low 2-C (soon to be 2-C)
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oh shit, injust expect someone that has the motivations to go and accept the first one
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It's only reasonable if you want it to be, to be honest. Restoring time got nothing to do with being 1-C
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Your missing the point. What I'm saying is that low 2-C is supported by eggmans statements and feats preformed by the emeralds earlier in the series.
By contrast 1-C is based solely on the assumption that super sonic had to be at his absolute full power because his friends were present. However nothing states or shows he was at full power so overlords rating isn't based on facts only interpretation.
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Unless he restored hypertime, which he didn't
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well try to reason that
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If Super Sonic was not at his full power then the help will not be required, you don't fight with your friends and not use all of your power
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I said this in a DBS thread, but hypertimelines sounds like the most stupid term invented for scaling
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Say that to Trip, not experience at all and she got a Super form.
But we know they have levels, from just a boost, to a super power, to a super form
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I don't believe she consciously decided I want to be a dragon but the emeralds made that happen anyways.
Again the chaos emeralds don't grant a consistent level of power to its users which is why the varies rating exists in the first place.
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I don't think the chaos emeralds give Trip a dragon form, more like, for her at least, the super form is a dragón form.
Yes they do, they can give a power boost or a super power, the super form is the highest level of power someone can habe
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The Super Form itself varies in power because of the variable nature of the Chaos Emeralds. Let's not start trying to argue against the canon itself
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You know what I think we should wait for more input because as it is now the three of us are probably going to argue in circles. So I'm going to wait an hour and see if anyone else has anything to say.
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Starline only says that the abilities of the emeralds are chaotic in nature and depend of the circumstances, however it does not refer to the super forms at all.
Also IDW tends to just downgrade many things that i will not be surprised if the starline thing was actually just something that ended up rectonned
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"Their power is chaotic" Actual quote from Starline. Please stop trying to argue against the very canon itself for the sake of upgrades
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Holy shit dude. Read up on the blogs in the verse page. You are too far behind on basic knowledge of Sonic power-scalling to be saying this incorrect stuff so confidently. The emeralds varying in power doesn't initially come from Starline. He merely repeated something that was first established in the Adventure games. There's no evidence that Super forms automatically tap into the full power of the emeralds, therefore they vary in power as well based on the same criterias
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Their power could mean their abilities, unless you think the warp topas has actual abilities besides the space manipulation and dimensional travel
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which again is not true considering that you can use the power of the emeralds without using a super form, the super form is the full power of the Emeralds that someone can get and is not a Echidna
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You are only saying this in an attempt to make this work so that you can push for 1-C Base Sonic. I will reiterate:
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Prove it. Being able to use the Chaos Emeralds without going Super is not proof
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Yeah, that is not hard to see
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Yes it is, knuckles, tails and Amy only got a super power and not a super form.
Shadow in shadow the hedgehog gets a power boost by using a emerald (one emerald) and metal sonic in sonic mania adventures gets a power boost but does not turn into super metal sonic.
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Let's leave the scaling discussion to when the game actually comes out, please. It's starting to clog up the thread now.
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Yeah okay, I might just go and collect all the reasoning for a possible 1-C base form when the game comes out, and see what happens
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No they didn't, which again, Sega cannot give super forms to anyone except Sonic, Shadow and Silver
You got the conclusions
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I might support you. I've seen the arguments you laid out and they're decent. Alexander's on the other hand...
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Ok i sometimes don't have the best of arguments...forgeted i never have them in vsbw
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Man I was just musing about how 1-C base cast is technically possible despite its ridiculousness, and somehow I caused all this to happen lmao. Whoopsie daisy I guess
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OK I’m sorry for bringing this back, but I just had two genuine questions pop into my mind involving the likely event we downgrade Metal Overlord so I’m bringing them up before I forget:
6-D base cast is still funny tho
- During the events of Heroes, would there be any good reason for Eggman to believe the power of the Chaos Emeralds exceeded the Precioustone? If so then could Metal Overlord potentially still be Low 1-C?
- If Eggman’s knowledge of the Emeralds is being called into question, then would this affect the Egg Wizard’s scaling? Or is there some extra context I’m missing? I haven’t played Rush Adventure so yeah lol
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I don't believe so, no
Egg Wizard's scaling comes from scaling to the Jeweled Scepter, which scales above the Precioustone and is also apparently stated to be above the Chaos and Sol Emeralds combined
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Sad if true, but not surprising.
Yeah but all these statements come from Eggman, who as far as I know still wouldn’t have knowledge of the Emeralds’ true power. The PotS should still scale to the Precioustone, but unless there’s something I’m not aware of (again it’s very possible) then the Egg Wizard probs shouldn’t scale to their full power after Metal Overlord gets downgraded.
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At worst the Egg Wizard would still be Low 1-C since the Precioustone (and thus the PotS) scale to the 5-D Maginaryworld
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Isn't the Jeweled Scepter literally the Master Emerald of the Sol Dimension
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As far as I remember egg wizard dosent have lore scaling it to 6D but super sonic was apparently using the full power of the Emeralds against it but I don't remember what the exact statement was. Nevertheless the feats and statements for egg wizard do support it's rating.
So overall the egg wizard is low 1-C at worst but the emeralds may have been at full power against it.
- It can merge sonic and blazes universes 2-C
- It maintains alternate dimensions 2-B to 2-A unless that includes Maginary world which would make it 5D
- And it has the greatest power source eggman has discovered likely including the precious stone which is 5D
So overall the egg wizard is low 1-C at worst but the emeralds may have been at full power against it.
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