Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[McFriesGuy075]

Yeah but all these statements come from Eggman, who as far as I know still wouldn’t have knowledge of the Emeralds’ true power. The PotS should still scale to the Precioustone, but unless there’s something I’m not aware of (again it’s very possible) then the Egg Wizard probs shouldn’t scale to their full power after Metal Overlord gets downgraded.

Isn't the Jeweled Scepter literally the Master Emerald of the Sol Dimension

 

[Snek]

As far as I remember egg wizard dosent have lore scaling it to 6D but super sonic was apparently using the full power of the Emeralds against it but I don't remember what the exact statement was. Nevertheless the feats and statements for egg wizard do support it's rating.

• It can merge sonic and blazes universes 2-C
• It maintains alternate dimensions 2-B to 2-A unless that includes Maginary world which would make it 5D
• And it has the greatest power source eggman has discovered likely including the precious stone which is 5D

So overall the egg wizard is low 1-C at worst but the emeralds may have been at full power against it.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

At worst the Egg Wizard would still be Low 1-C since the Precioustone (and thus the PotS) scale to the 5-D Maginaryworld

Yup, so not too big a downgrade.

Isn't the Jeweled Scepter literally the Master Emerald of the Sol Dimension

Obviously I have no clue as I never played the game, but if it is then the Egg Wizard wouldn’t be using its full power anyway since if it was then it never should’ve lost.

As far as I remember egg wizard dosent have lore scaling it to 6D but super sonic was apparently using the full power of the Emeralds against it but I don't remember what the exact statement was.

If such a statement does exist then it might be able to keep its 1-C rating.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

There is that one statement about Eggman wanting the Emeralds for their “unimaginable power” which I assume comes from Advance 1 (it’s from one of the Advance games and I’m presuming 1 since there’s no Cream shown in the scan), but idk if that’s enough to go Metal Overlord > Precioustone. It is currently used on the Chaos Emerald’s profile but seemingly only to justify baseline Super forms > Eggman machines (which makes no sense to me as it’s more logically referring to the Emeralds’ peak but eh).

 

[Snek]

Ya even with that statement you could just say we don't know what eggman thinks about the precious stone.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

There is that one statement about Eggman wanting the Emeralds for their “unimaginable power” which I assume comes from Advance 1 (it’s from one of the Advance games and I’m presuming 1 since there’s no Cream shown in the scan), but idk if that’s enough to go Metal Overlord > Precioustone. It is currently used on the Chaos Emerald’s profile but seemingly only to justify baseline Super forms > Eggman machines (which makes no sense to me as it’s more logically referring to the Emeralds’ peak but eh).

BASED. Currently working on downgrades for the baseline power of Super forms. Thier peak power would remain the same, but thier absolute minimum should just upscale from the agreed upon baseline multipliers for 7 individual emeralds.

As for the Egg Wizard, "At least Low 1-C" makes sense to me. If Eggman remembered the events of 06, it would get to keep its 1-C rating though.

 

[Snek]

Man I still hate that we accepted multipliers for holding chaos emeralds.

 

[RedReaper616]

OK I’m sorry for bringing this back, but I just had two genuine questions pop into my mind involving the likely event we downgrade Metal Overlord so I’m bringing them up before I forget:

1. During the events of Heroes, would there be any good reason for Eggman to believe the power of the Chaos Emeralds exceeded the Precioustone? If so then could Metal Overlord potentially still be Low 1-C?
2. If Eggman’s knowledge of the Emeralds is being called into question, then would this affect the Egg Wizard’s scaling? Or is there some extra context I’m missing? I haven’t played Rush Adventure so yeah lol

As an aside, I do think calling Eggman’s knowledge of the Emeralds’ true capabilities into question is a good point. If not for some of the additional context around Metal Overlord and (apparently) Perfect Chaos I would honestly be fully for a downgrade to Low 2-C. 6-D base cast is still funny tho

Eggman should know, though, because as mentioned before, Sonic Channel states Perfect Chaos used the "FULL POWER OF THE CHAOS EMERALDS." Which Eggman witnessed, and as such should be aware of and use as a data point in relevance to Metal.

 

[Alexander]

BASED. Currently working on downgrades for the baseline power of Super forms. Thier peak power would remain the same, but thier absolute minimum should just upscale from the agreed upon baseline multipliers for 7 individual emeralds.

As for the Egg Wizard, "At least Low 1-C" makes sense to me. If Eggman remembered the events of 06, it would get to keep its 1-C rating though.

There are levels to the chaos emeralds?i thought it was something more about that the full power was the super mode and you cannot have a minimum power for the super form

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Ghengiroo115 Remember; the Chaos Emeralds are stated to be the supersubstance of dreams like 3 different times in JP and ENG manuals, with the power of the Precioustone allowing Sonic a Super State, so Chaos Emeralds should directly supercede the Precioustone. I think that would make the Egg Wizard Low 1-C, since he doesn't remember 06. Might warrant a Low 1-C end for Super Sonic and Burning Blaze specifically (as they were the only Supers to participate in the fight and I'm unsure if granting an additional end to every Super is something we wanna do.

Man, based Sonic Team making Dreams a weirdly recurring idea in the Sonic franchise.

 

[RedReaper616]

There are levels to the chaos emeralds?i thought it was something more about that the full power was the super mode and you cannot have a minimum power for the super form

As per Starline, the energy the Chaos Emeralds grant to their user varies based on circumstance, and as we know from SA2, that power is further at variance due to what your "Heart" is (as the "power is enriched by the Heart.") This means that any use of the Chaos Emeralds as a power source can't be quantified beyond the direct scaling of that object/person and/or statements about it, (like Sonic Channel saying Perfect Chaos used the "FULL POWER" of the Emeralds, or Frontiers saying Cyber Super Sonic is "The TRUE DORMANT POWER" of the Emeralds and Super Sonic as a whole).

 

[Peptocoptr27]

There are levels to the chaos emeralds?i thought it was something more about that the full power was the super mode and you cannot have a minimum power for the super form

Dude. Have you even seen Sonic's profile?

 

[CloverDragon03]

@Ghengiroo115 Remember; the Chaos Emeralds are stated to be the supersubstance of dreams like 3 different times in JP and ENG manuals, with the power of the Precioustone allowing Sonic a Super State, so Chaos Emeralds should directly supercede the Precioustone. I think that would make the Egg Wizard Low 1-C, since he doesn't remember 06. Might warrant a Low 1-C end for Super Sonic and Burning Blaze specifically (as they were the only Supers to participate in the fight and I'm unsure if granting an additional end to every Super is something we wanna do.

Man, based Sonic Team making Dreams a weirdly recurring idea in the Sonic franchise.

Don't think they need something specific like that, the Low 1-C rating just falls under the Varies rating being between Low 2-C an 1-C. You can add it to the justification, though, if you'd like

 

[Snek]

Eggman should know, though, because as mentioned before, Sonic Channel states Perfect Chaos used the "FULL POWER OF THE CHAOS EMERALDS.

You know I don't have a super power scaling oriented argument for the perfect chaos statement but still I think chaos being that strong is just awkward. Mainly because the chaos emeralds are still these super coveted items to the point where sonic and friends go after them to resolve the metal virus or defeat the titans yet I'm supposed to believe that everyone has surpassed their full power. I don't know man maybe sonic channel was just tripping with that one not gonna lie.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

You know I don't have a super power scaling oriented argument for the perfect chaos statement but still I think chaos being that strong is just awkward. Mainly because the chaos emeralds are still these super coveted items to the point where sonic and friends go after them to resolve the metal virus or defeat the titans yet I'm supposed to believe that everyone has surpassed their full power. I don't know man maybe sonic channel was just tripping with that one not gonna lie.

Or, y'know, it may just be an outlier

 

[RedReaper616]

You know I don't have a super power scaling oriented argument for the perfect chaos statement but still I think chaos being that strong is just awkward. Mainly because the chaos emeralds are still these super coveted items to the point where sonic and friends go after them to resolve the metal virus or defeat the titans yet I'm supposed to believe that everyone has surpassed their full power. I don't know man maybe sonic channel was just tripping with that one not gonna lie.

I mean, I feel like that's a distinctly different (but related) question.

Does Eggman know the full capacity of the Emeralds? Allegedly, via Sonic Channel.

Should that data point (Sonic Channel) be used? Debate as needed.

I'm just pointing out how based on the info we have, Eggman should have full awareness of the Emeralds' power. Whether or not it's accepted is another matter.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Could I have the link to where Sonic Channel says Perfect Chaos uses the full power of the Emeralds? If nothing else, it sounds useful for upscaling Perfect Chaos.

 

[JJSliderman]

スーパーソニック

ソニックがカオスエメラルドのパワーを得て変身した姿。 全身が黄金に輝き、通常のソニックをはるかに越える能力を有す。ただし変身中は極端にエネルギーを消費するため、短時間しかその姿を維持することができない。 空を飛ぶことも可能。 名称 スー...

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Super Sonic

NameSuper SonicFlying speedSublight speed Sonic’s transformed form, powered by the Chaos Emeralds. His entire body glows gold, and his abilities far exceed those of ordinary Sonic. However, h…

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There ya go

 

[JJSliderman]

You know I don't have a super power scaling oriented argument for the perfect chaos statement but still I think chaos being that strong is just awkward. Mainly because the chaos emeralds are still these super coveted items to the point where sonic and friends go after them to resolve the metal virus or defeat the titans yet I'm supposed to believe that everyone has surpassed their full power. I don't know man maybe sonic channel was just tripping with that one not gonna lie.

I think there is a distinct different between the full power of the Emeralds, and the full power of super forms. Because the super form is proportionally growing alongside the base form, there could easily be levels of 6-D for super forms

 

[RedReaper616]

Huh. Didn't know Eggman had a Gravity Weapon that could manipulate the Gravity of Earth's Rotation.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

スーパーソニック

ソニックがカオスエメラルドのパワーを得て変身した姿。 全身が黄金に輝き、通常のソニックをはるかに越える能力を有す。ただし変身中は極端にエネルギーを消費するため、短時間しかその姿を維持することができない。 空を飛ぶことも可能。 名称 スー...

sonic.sega.jp

Super Sonic

NameSuper SonicFlying speedSublight speed Sonic’s transformed form, powered by the Chaos Emeralds. His entire body glows gold, and his abilities far exceed those of ordinary Sonic. However, h…

browniehideout.wordpress.com

There ya go

Thank you

 

[Theuser789]

Huh. Didn't know Eggman had a Gravity Weapon that could manipulate the Gravity of Earth's Rotation.

I don't think we ever added anything from that Sonic Channel storyline, sadly. Even though it's canon.

 

[RedReaper616]

Oh? So what you're saying is I can cover all these Sonic Channel stories for a CRT...