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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Wait why does Sonic's Infinite speed rating in his Colors-Pre-Imprisonment key scale him to 7.9x above baseline, what did he do to surpass his Boost by then?
 
I know it does look like Eggman and (the Game Sonic Series in general) gets dispesected in the eyes of a sonic scaler which I understand.

But remember, Bowser got disrespected hard in the past against Ganondorf (only holy weapons can kill Ganon, am I right?). So I say this is fair for Bowser in a way.

Maybe there may be a Sonic Sigma. But that shall be overcomed eventually.
 
Angelzewolf said:
I have come to realize Twitter is gonna be a pain for the next couple months. So many people are once again viewing Death Battle as absolute fact. Even some folks on Reddit are going "Marioverse is more powerful and completely stomps Sonicverse as shown by Death Battle."

The bonding phase is over. I'm now only seeing toxicity everywhere I go, lol.
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This is the main reason why I hate Death Battle. The mask was off exactly when I saw so many Death Battle fans rushing to this website to gloat in our faces and make fun of our stats. Toxicity like this makes me wonder if Mario downgrades were completely deserved, since it seems Death Battle and their spite is all they have.
 
Theuser789 said:
This is the main reason why I hate Death Battle. The mask was off exactly when I saw so many Death Battle fans rushing to this website to gloat in our faces and make fun of our stats. Toxicity like this makes me wonder if Mario downgrades were completely deserved, since it seems Death Battle and their spite is all they have.
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You honestly wouldn't say this if Eggman won, Sonic fans are as spiteful and as toxic
 
It's fine to just not like things, guys. You often don't even need a reason to not like something, and that should be fine. In this instance however, the reasoning behind it is understandable. When Mario won against Sonic last time, the Mario fans were insanely toxic and just didn't want to listen to any reasoning. This also just kinda started the Mario fans and their endless glazing and wank. Sonic fans can be pretty bad admittedly, but people shouldn't go generalizing just because of a disagreement or opinion. Nobody is really even being toxic here, maybe just reign that in a little?
 
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I can understand being a little frustrated, because they definitely were far more lenient with Bowser than Eggman in the research department, but I think some of the hate is overblown yeah.
 
Theuser789 said:
This is the main reason why I hate Death Battle. The mask was off exactly when I saw so many Death Battle fans rushing to this website to gloat in our faces and make fun of our stats. Toxicity like this makes me wonder if Mario downgrades were completely deserved, since it seems Death Battle and their spite is all they have.
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I don't know. Initially it wasn't bad, sure people were dunking on Infinite, but for the most part people on both sides were gassing up both sides. (Primarily Metal Sonic and Jr) and making memes. It's only recently that I started seeing the "bonding phase" change into a toxicity ring. But it at least had a point where I went "Damn, what the hell? Why is Bowser vs Eggman so much less toxic than Mario vs Sonic?"

Death Battle can't control their fans. Yeah, I get annoyed by their scaling and often disagree with them, but that's like hating Markiplier because some of his fans are weirdly obsessive. They're a bit bias for Mario over Sonic, but bias is something that affects every scaler. Maybe Vswiki is different, but outside of it, I'm 100% certain equivalent numbers of Sonic scalers would be throwing shit if Eggman won.
 
Well, despite our opinions on the battle and some grievances, there hasn't really been any Mario-Sonic beef on VSBW because I'm sure both fandoms are a bit more mature on average than elsewhere.

Outside the wiki? Can't speak much, I know Reddit is glazing hard atm but that's Reddit
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
If it means anything, Ultraguy's recent Shadow blog has him acknowledging Erazor Djinn's feat of absorbing the Arabian Nights and causing it to begin disappearing as part of base form scaling. So there is a chance that Ultraguy, at least, acknowledges one or two universal high ends for base Sonic.

Not that it means that Sonic beats Mario, especially if DB thinks Mario edges out in speed and hax, but I think it's a lot closer compared to where it was years ago.
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Speaking of I'm curious about something. What would Mario's speed scaling be like without the galaxy games?
 
@JJSliderman might be a better person to ask, but I'm pretty sure that the Mario Party games have a couple of MTFL+ feats involving characters crossing the universe in a short amount of time.

Plus I'm somewhat confident that the Paper Mario series has similarly fast feats, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Aside from all that, do you guys think that the Doom Powers Shadow had truly disappeared or do you yall think they can theoretically come back without input from Black Doom? I think it'd be pretty cool, honestly. Would be cool for Shadow to develop powers that fit the whole Sonic-franchise vibe, though. I always thought it would be cool for Shadow to have a unique form of darkness control/manipulation with ties to the Black Arms (both from origin and the power itself).
 
I think it’d be cool if they came back and instead turned Shadow into some kind of nephilim being, basically merging the doom powers with Maria’s light to make a half Angel and Devil. Doom Wing becoming half normal doom wing and half what Mephiles’ wings are in the Mephiles Shadow Gens mod, for example.
 
TIL that Cubot's English VA is a guy by the name of Wally Wingert, also known for playing Renji from Bleach and the ************* Riddler from the Batman Arkham series.

That explains why Cubot has a voice which makes me want to punch him in the face, it's because I hear the Riddler now whenever he speaks.
 
JJSliderman said:
I think it’d be cool if they came back and instead turned Shadow into some kind of nephilim being, basically merging the doom powers with Maria’s light to make a half Angel and Devil. Doom Wing becoming half normal doom wing and half what Mephiles’ wings are in the Mephiles Shadow Gens mod, for example.
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I dunno, that might seem a little too DeviantArt AMV Fanfic-core. Keeping it simple and manageable would be cooler in my opinion. Like how Sonic is possibly getting those electric-based powers or like how he has wind powers primarily, would be cool to give Shadow something similar but unique to him. Besides, Shadow being able to control darkness would be cool and fitting. Though, could also be cool if he gained light powers as well based off of his pure soul based off of Maria.

It's also funny considering Sonic kinda has through sleeper powers. He has wind, implied electricity (cuz of the Power Boost in Frontiers. they could prolly expand on that sometime), and energy (in Frontiers). So Shadow having stuff like chaos, dark, and light would make sense and go raw. Though maybe he could also utilize those powers for different things like you said.
 
Unironically I think the best move is to just treat it as a Devil Trigger-like move. He can temporarily use his Doom Powers at the cost of stamina, energy, etc.

Even better if they tie it to his Inhibitor Rings. He takes them off and he releases his power + regains access to his Doom Powers for as long as they’re off, with the same weaknesses as before.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Unironically I think the best move is to just treat it as a Devil Trigger-like move. He can temporarily use his Doom Powers at the cost of stamina, energy, etc.

Even better if they tie it to his Inhibitor Rings. He takes them off and he releases his power + regains access to his Doom Powers for as long as they’re off.
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I mean at that point he may as well just only use the Inhibitor Rings. Though, I can see maybe his Doom Powers coming back and it working more like InFamous/PROTOTYPE (Doom Powers are on some high PROTOTYPE-ahh energy). Maybe they are regained just by him more gently tapping into those powers without it being forced on him (basically).

Most of the Doom Powers aren't all too crazy, but maybe he could get more powerful ones. Like, Doom Surf is meh, Doom Spear seems like something he could just already do (though it's probably just enhanced Chaos Spears), Doom Blast also seems rather basic, Doom Morph is cool and should prolly be expanded on, but Doom Wing is the big one that I think is fine if left alone as is since it uses Rings already.

Honestly, the only notable Doom Power that actually helps combat-wise and isn't something he could already do, is Doom Wing and somewhat Doom Morph(? Mephiles Fight).
 
On the one hand: SEGA have always been the type to take interesting powers that appeared throughout the series and just, make said powers exclusive to the game they originate from out of fear of going beyond the status quo:

But on the other hand: not only have fans been very positive to the inclusion and usage of Shadow's Doom Powers in Shadow Generations, but it gives Shadow a unique set of abilities exclusive to himself and it highlights the part of Shadow's backstory where he's half alien as a result of Black Doom giving him his DNA. Not to mention that they look so freaking cool, especially the Doom Wings.

I'm not going to hold my breath on the Doom Powers coming back any time soon, but hopefully the positive reception of Shadow Generations makes SEGA more confident in giving their characters unique abilities.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
On the one hand: SEGA have always been the type to take interesting powers that appeared throughout the series and just, make said powers exclusive to the game they originate from out of fear of going beyond the status quo:

But on the other hand: not only have fans been very positive to the inclusion and usage of Shadow's Doom Powers in Shadow Generations, but it gives Shadow a unique set of abilities exclusive to himself and it highlights the part of Shadow's backstory where he's half alien as a result of Black Doom giving him his DNA. Not to mention that they look so freaking cool, especially the Doom Wings.

I'm not going to hold my breath on the Doom Powers coming back any time soon, but hopefully the positive reception of Shadow Generations makes SEGA more confident in giving their characters unique abilities.
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Yeah, I hope it doesn't just become a Frontiers situation where a lot of the abilities probably disappeared at The End (heh) of the game since he doesn't have Cyber Energy anymore cuz he blew it all in one load to fold Da End from Da Frontiers.
 
Yeah the arg was if base Shadow is above Metal Overlord, which is still up in the air.

Shadow does say he’ll never reach Sonic’s level but never specified if it’s base or super.
 
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